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Post#201 » by Pai Gow » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:51 am

slaman wrote:Deron Williams post-game interview 03/03/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o--s41i7RSM

For the first time in over 13 years, a player posted back-to-back 19+ assist games....Deron Williams talks about everything from Kirilenko's injury to his 20-assist performance.


Damn that was fast.
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Post#202 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:52 am

ele.ven wrote:i am so pissed at dirk right now...


Come on man, Dirk was out of control (he fell on that play), and he's just not an arse like that. I mean if Dirk hurt Boozer or Williams I might question it, but AK is our 4th best player right now, if even that.
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Post#203 » by TexJazz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:04 am

Great win Jazz, I hope AK is ok.
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Post#204 » by The Sheik » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:10 am

Ming Kong! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Come on man, Dirk was out of control (he fell on that play), and he's just not an arse like that. I mean if Dirk hurt Boozer or Williams I might question it, but AK is our 4th best player right now, if even that.


I would agree if Dirk didn't collar him to the ground. There was no need for that, he could have just hacked him, but dirk collared and pulled AK to the ground.
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Post#205 » by Neon Black » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:13 am

Ming Kong! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Come on man, Dirk was out of control (he fell on that play), and he's just not an arse like that. I mean if Dirk hurt Boozer or Williams I might question it, but AK is our 4th best player right now, if even that.



I'm as sure as anyone that Dirk didn't mean to hurt AK, but that foul was dumb, ignorant and completely deserved the flagrant. There's no reason he needed to keep his arm draped around Andrei, that's just complete supidity.
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Post#206 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:46 am

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That's one hell of a pass and picture. :-P
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Post#207 » by Neon Black » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:37 am

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Post#208 » by jazzfan1971 » Tue Mar 4, 2008 8:33 am

I can't understand why the Jazz don't play at the same level on the road. Heck, they didn't seem to play on the same level in the 2nd half as the first half.

This team is still very quirky.

Deron impresses me more all the time though. Is he getting better or am I just noticing the things he does more?

I think this game was a story about officiating though. I was starting to get pretty po'd about 5 minutes into the 4th how Dallas was getting every call, then the refs suddenly do an about face and give the Jazz every call for the last, deciding, 7 minutes. Boy am I glad that order of home cooking finally arrived, because we were gonna lose that game if we couldn't get to the line some.
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Post#209 » by edfmx86 » Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:51 am

great win jazz! i hope ak is well, he is definetly one of our most important players on the court, even if he does little, its enough to affect the game.

congratulation on the 20 asst night, dwill, its a shame the media wont aknowledge it because hornets won tonight....
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Post#210 » by Duiz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:01 am

Deron officially is averaging 19.1 PPG and 10.1 APG
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Post#211 » by Duiz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:28 am

Here is an arguement I was making in the Mavs board..

lol I love the arguement than CP3 has done the most with less... Morris Peterson was one of the most solid defense SGs and in youtube you can see clutch shot after clutch shot. Peja Stojakovic... your kidding? 3pt monster and one of the best shooters at it ALL-TIME. David West was definetly less, but he has come long ways since last years dissapointing season. Chandler has always been terrific. The bench had Bobby Jackson for a very long time. Jannero Pargo has always been a solid backup PG and got a lot of playing time last year.

And then Chris Paul, let's be serious, the guy is for real and he has been playing like the MVP this year.

But Deron Williams has had to work with 8 second round draft picks on the lineup.

At the beginning of the season, the Jazz were ranked 2nd youngest team in the NBA tied with Seattle Supersonics. Since the trades and waivemania, the Jazz dropped 5th youngest. The Hornets are somewhere in the middle.

CJ Miles 34th (Played tonight)
Kyrylo Fesenko 38th (In D-league)
Carlos Boozer 35th (Played tonight)
Mehmet Okur 38th (Played tonight)
Paul Millsap 47th (Played tonight)
Jason Hart 49th (Played tonight)
Kyle Korver 51st (Played tonight)
Jarron Collins 53rd (DNP - Coach Decision)
Ronnie Price Undrafted (Played tonight)

If you look at Boozer's stats, they have wildly increased since Deron Williams took the reigns from Keith McCloud last year. Also Deron Williams made Okur an All-Star last year. So I am really tired of the arguement that one does more with less. There is no team in the NBA that has so many 2nd round draft picks.

Plus, not even Stockton or Magic had two consecutive 19+ AST per game. Give the man some credit.
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Post#212 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Mar 4, 2008 8:38 pm

Duiz wrote:Deron officially is averaging 19.1 PPG and 10.1 APG


I can see Deron ending the season with something like 19 and 10.5, cause he's been raising his assists numbers FAST.

Between January, February and March (28 games): 11.6apg.

I just hope he keeps this up. :)
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Post#213 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Mar 4, 2008 8:51 pm

Duiz wrote:Here is an arguement I was making in the Mavs board..

lol I love the arguement than CP3 has done the most with less... Morris Peterson was one of the most solid defense SGs and in youtube you can see clutch shot after clutch shot. Peja Stojakovic... your kidding? 3pt monster and one of the best shooters at it ALL-TIME. David West was definetly less, but he has come long ways since last years dissapointing season. Chandler has always been terrific. The bench had Bobby Jackson for a very long time. Jannero Pargo has always been a solid backup PG and got a lot of playing time last year.

And then Chris Paul, let's be serious, the guy is for real and he has been playing like the MVP this year.

But Deron Williams has had to work with 8 second round draft picks on the lineup.

At the beginning of the season, the Jazz were ranked 2nd youngest team in the NBA tied with Seattle Supersonics. Since the trades and waivemania, the Jazz dropped 5th youngest. The Hornets are somewhere in the middle.

CJ Miles 34th (Played tonight)
Kyrylo Fesenko 38th (In D-league)
Carlos Boozer 35th (Played tonight)
Mehmet Okur 38th (Played tonight)
Paul Millsap 47th (Played tonight)
Jason Hart 49th (Played tonight)
Kyle Korver 51st (Played tonight)
Jarron Collins 53rd (DNP - Coach Decision)
Ronnie Price Undrafted (Played tonight)

If you look at Boozer's stats, they have wildly increased since Deron Williams took the reigns from Keith McCloud last year. Also Deron Williams made Okur an All-Star last year. So I am really tired of the arguement that one does more with less. There is no team in the NBA that has so many 2nd round draft picks.

Plus, not even Stockton or Magic had two consecutive 19+ AST per game. Give the man some credit.


You really hurt your argument in comparing Williams to the two best PGs ever.

Honestly I wouldn't trade Williams for Paul or Nash, because they're all simply on similar levels, but I prefer Williams youth over Nash age, plus Nash isn't even a whole lot better if any better than Williams.

Then I'll take Williams over Paul because of his height, and he's much more powerful. I think Paul is better than Williams in his Hornet's role, but Williams is better in Jerry Sloan's system.

Like I've been saying all along, Paul is the runner up for MVP this year, behind Kobe, but MVP or not, I'll take Williams. On a talent level, they're probably equal, with just different skill sets.
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Post#214 » by Duiz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:15 pm

I didn't compare him, but he just achieved something that the two best PGs ever haven't done in 13 years, Stockton and Magic indeed. I am just saying, that he doesn't get enough credit for being both the winning engine and the turnover engine of the Utah Jazz.

btw, 4 TOs in this outing compared to 7 TO against memphis, means that the AST/TO ratio was of 5:1 which is much better for Deron. Than the last two outings.
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Post#215 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:06 pm

Duiz wrote:I didn't compare him, but he just achieved something that the two best PGs ever haven't done in 13 years, Stockton and Magic indeed. I am just saying, that he doesn't get enough credit for being both the winning engine and the turnover engine of the Utah Jazz.

btw, 4 TOs in this outing compared to 7 TO against memphis, means that the AST/TO ratio was of 5:1 which is much better for Deron. Than the last two outings.


Ok, what if I were to make an argument for Kobe being better than Lebron, and to wrap it up I stated that his 81 point performance, or his consecutive 40 point performances were achievements Jordan never even accomplished. Wouldn't I therefore either be: a) comparing Kobe to MJ, or b) putting Kobe in MJs class, or even above him?
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Post#216 » by Duiz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:17 pm

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Ok, what if I were to make an argument for Kobe being better than Lebron, and to wrap it up I stated that his 81 point performance, or his consecutive 40 point performances were achievements Jordan never even accomplished. Wouldn't I therefore either be: a) comparing Kobe to MJ, or b) putting Kobe in MJs class, or even above him?


What is the point of your persistence with this. I genuinely didn't mean to say that Deron is better or will be more legendary as it sounds like you are suggesting that I am intending to say. But now you bring it up, his performance hasn't been matched by anyone since Hardway 13 years ago. Our Stockton hadn't done that, neither two time MVP Nash, or Triple Double Kidd. I am only using one parameter to compare Deron to them, in the sense that Deron has been able to do it and they haven't. I guess what I am saying is that the kid has some potential, and when people keep saying that clearly no question Paul was/is better than Williams I just say, the guy is doing some amazing stuff too. I don't know how I hurt my arguement by saying that some of the greatest PGs, geez even Mark Jackson who holds second all time in assists hadn't done the feat that Deron Williams in just his third year has done.

So I don't see how I hurt my arguement by saying that Deron deserves some credit in the Paul vs. Williams arguement by his achievement. Paul averaging 20/10 will be a first too since Hardaway. So that should be huge too.

And if you ask me, Kobe > LeBron.
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Post#217 » by bleu » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:48 pm

I wanted to see the Jazz game, but I went to the USU game instead.

Huge W for the Jazz. Very nice.
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Post#218 » by JDubJazz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:49 pm

Duiz wrote:And if you ask me, Kobe > LeBron.


wow, I'm shocked . . . truly. :rofl:
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Post#219 » by Duiz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:57 pm

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wow, I'm shocked . . . truly. :rofl:


CJ Miles > Kobe...

Nothing new around here.. :wink: :lol:
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Post#220 » by JDubJazz » Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:47 pm

Duiz wrote: CJ Miles > Kobe...

Nothing new around here.. :wink: :lol:


lol. At least you are consistent, Duiz.

On the CJ Miles subject, can I just say I thought he was truly awful last night against Howard. I found myself wondering why we even bothered to sign him at all last summer. For a guy who supposedly is a great shooter in practice, I find I have zero confidence thatn any shot he takes outside of a dunk will ever go in. His defense was pathetic, and he was constanly messing up the offense with his spacing or just plain being in the wrong place last night.

Andrei's injury should have been a great opportunity for CJ to prove himself, and instead I'm wondering if he just played himself right out of the league.
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