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Post#221 » by corona » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:20 am

...and waste melo's offensive abilities???

and by that logic...isn't posting melo up wasting iverson's offensive abilities?
every time he sets a good screen he has to be respected as a shooter and a scorer regardless of what iverson does. he doesn't need the ball on every possession...there's there's quite a few where he should set a great pick and can act as a decoy (for lack of a better term). pick and pop...see if you can get both guys to follow you, pick and roll...see if you can seal and draw martin's defender so iverson can dish to kmart for a dunk, pick and go get rebounding position for an iverson miss.
but he never sets a great pick. ever
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Post#222 » by airchibundo507 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:24 am

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Is he the best player on the team? No. Should he be the best player on the team and could very easily with just a few adjustments, YES! It would be best for everyone and the team. The team would be better for it. AI is here to win a Chip, not to fully defer and wait on Melo to "get it" and grow to his full potential. Same with Karl to a point (but that's not an excuse to coach poorly). But I would bet anything that AI is dying for him to be the man and lead this team with a full head of steam.

Melo has the size, Physic and scoring ability to be on the same level or better than Lebron, but he's not there yet and I don't know if he'll ever be (I hope so). It has alot to do with coaching, but some things he should figure out on his own. He's definitely the most inconsistent player out of him, Wade and Lebron, especially in maturity.


you've me there. that's a great post.

but PLEASE realize that melo is making strides.

he was a terrible man defender last year and the worst help defender in the league (IMO). this year he has become a decent man defender and puts actualy effort into the defense end, although he does give up the occasional three on defense (still bad help defense).

he was described as a one-dimensional volume shooter early in his career. he has changed into a multi-dimensional (7.5 rpg) offensive juggernaut (25.9 ppg, 47.5% FG).

he struggles with a few things:

- help defense (always overcommits)
- turnovers (weren't a factor tonight)
- leadership (he lets his emotions get the best of him)
- the double teams (needs to see the whole court and see the double coming)

but he is still a top 10 player who is getting better every year.
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Post#223 » by airchibundo507 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:28 am

corona wrote:
...and waste melo's offensive abilities???

and by that logic...isn't posting melo up wasting iverson's offensive abilities?
every time he sets a good screen he has to be respected as a shooter and a scorer regardless of what iverson does. he doesn't need the ball on every possession...there's there's quite a few where he should set a great pick and can act as a decoy (for lack of a better term). pick and pop...see if you can get both guys to follow you, pick and roll...see if you can seal and draw martin's defender so iverson can dish to kmart for a dunk, pick and go get rebounding position for an iverson miss.
but he never sets a great pick. ever


no...posting up melo draws the defense's attention and give iverson single-coverage. that's why he is scoring at such a high clip this year.

okay...melo doesn't set a great screen. just add that to the list of flaws you guys have come up for him.
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Post#224 » by el loco » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:31 am

big123 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Is he the best player on the team? No. Should he be the best player on the team and could very easily with just a few adjustments, YES! It would be best for everyone and the team. The team would be better for it. AI is here to win a Chip, not to fully defer and wait on Melo to "get it" and grow to his full potential. Same with Karl to a point (but that's not an excuse to coach poorly). But I would bet anything that AI is dying for him to be the man and lead this team with a full head of steam.

Melo has the size, Physic and scoring ability to be on the same level or better than Lebron, but he's not there yet and I don't know if he'll ever be (I hope so). It has alot to do with coaching, but some things he should figure out on his own. He's definitely the most inconsistent player out of him, Wade and Lebron, especially in maturity.


That sounds better, good post.
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Post#225 » by big123 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:54 am

airchibundo507 wrote:
big123 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Is he the best player on the team? No. Should he be the best player on the team and could very easily with just a few adjustments, YES! It would be best for everyone and the team. The team would be better for it. AI is here to win a Chip, not to fully defer and wait on Melo to "get it" and grow to his full potential. Same with Karl to a point (but that's not an excuse to coach poorly). But I would bet anything that AI is dying for him to be the man and lead this team with a full head of steam.

Melo has the size, Physic and scoring ability to be on the same level or better than Lebron, but he's not there yet and I don't know if he'll ever be (I hope so). It has alot to do with coaching, but some things he should figure out on his own. He's definitely the most inconsistent player out of him, Wade and Lebron, especially in maturity.


you've me there. that's a great post.

but PLEASE realize that melo is making strides.

he was a terrible man defender last year and the worst help defender in the league (IMO). this year he has become a decent man defender and puts actualy effort into the defense end, although he does give up the occasional three on defense (still bad help defense).

he was described as a one-dimensional volume shooter early in his career. he has changed into a multi-dimensional (7.5 rpg) offensive juggernaut (25.9 ppg, 47.5% FG).

he struggles with a few things:

- help defense (always overcommits)
- turnovers (weren't a factor tonight)
- leadership (he lets his emotions get the best of him)
- the double teams (needs to see the whole court and see the double coming)

but he is still a top 10 player who is getting better every year.


I agree. Melo can score with the best of them. He has moments when he's a freaking beast, can't be stopped and can't do a thing wrong in any facets of the game. But he's just so inconsistent with it and that what pisses me off the most. I see glimmers of it, but it isn't there when it should be, more often than not and for the teams sake. Most of it has to due with lack of concentration, laziness and maturity. I respect both AI and Melo alot, but AI is who he is, with an occassional crazy good game, an efficient game or an off-game, while Melo has more potential right now and could do so much more than he actually does on a more consistent basis.
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Post#226 » by pickaxe » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:41 am

The game was over the moment they started up the isos again. I mean, JR did all he could. Kenyon gave his usual effort and even tried to go beyond his own abilities.

AI got a little too cocky. I liked his clutchness through the middle of the game, but no one else got involved offensively down the stretch.

And no one came to Melo despite the trap, the obvious 5th man open, and 2 defenders completely committed to making Melo turn the ball over.

All I got to say is JR showed more leadership throughout the game than this team has had in 2 maybe 3 years on just executing a game plan all the way. And I mean he executed the game plan (simple though it was) and kept attacking the rim, and kept attacking.

I don't know if his mates will follow his example as a leader tonight, but even if they don't think that's what they want to do, JR did it, executed it, and played when it mattered.

Yeah the rest of the team was great, for 3 quarters as they have always been.

F* this, need to make some noise Wednesday night at Pepsi. I want to see this team that played tonight for 3 quarters, and the team that played vs. Phoenix show up for all 4 quarters.
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Post#227 » by Fire BK » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:28 am

airchibundo507 wrote: Iverson just... plays for himself.


+1 Sixers fan.

Get used to it, fellas.
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Post#228 » by AILebronMelo » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:36 am

Fire BK wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



+1 Sixers fan.

Get used to it, fellas.


What is Philly record again?
Iverson, Iggy, Willie Green, Sammy D, Josh Smith, Rasheed and Ben Wallace, Larry Hughes Garnett, Francis, Lebron, Melo, K Mart, Wade, Amare, Q Richardson, T Mac, DC, and C Webb

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Post#229 » by sportsmikegm23 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:09 am

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I compared them in SCORING...not in overall basketball.

melo is leaps and bounds ahead of lebron in this aspect.


I embrace Melo, but to say Melo is better than LeBron at anything now is ridiculous. Career Highs LeBron 51, Melo 49... Reb per game LeBron 8.1 Melo 7.5..Assist per game LeBron 7.4 to 3.3.

I don't care if Melo scored 40 ppg...right now Melo doesn't make his teammates alot better, and LeBron is all about that. Melo is not in LeBron's class...maybe he will be one day...but not even close right now.

If LeBron just wanted to score...he could score nearly all night...but he gets his teammates involved and makes them feel apart of the team... He could easily average 30ppg or more. He's got 7 triple doubles this year...Melo has 1 for his career.

but not many if any other than Kobe, Magic, MJ, Bird and a few other were/are in LeBron's class.
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Post#230 » by carrottop12 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:39 pm

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What is Philly record again?


Playoffs...

Thats all that matters.
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Post#231 » by denvers_finest » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:37 pm

Well, didn't turn out the way I would have hoped, but a very entertaining game. I don't mind losing as much as I mind a lack of effort. While there have been plenty of games this year where the Nuggets didn't show up, last night they brought their A game and just came up a bit short.

Jr had one of the best games I've ever seen him play. Did a great job of attacking the basket. I don't know that I have ever seen someone attack Duncan like JR did last night. I also liked the leadership he showed last night. I remember after his block on KT, he went up and grab LK and Najera. Not sure what he said, but I would love to see Melo and/or AI do that in game more often. This team is still lacking some leadership, and it was great to see JR step into that role, if only for one game.

2-3 over a tough 5 game strech. Not great, but not terrible either. They took care of home court, and couldn't steal one on the road. Can't expect a whole lot more. Schedule gets a bit easier for the rest of the month, so the Nuggets need to take advantage and go 8 out of 10 run to get right back in the mix.
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Post#232 » by AILebronMelo » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:32 pm

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Playoffs...

Thats all that matters.


You play in the east and your team is below .500 by 10 games now run along and be proud of your below medicore team.
Iverson, Iggy, Willie Green, Sammy D, Josh Smith, Rasheed and Ben Wallace, Larry Hughes Garnett, Francis, Lebron, Melo, K Mart, Wade, Amare, Q Richardson, T Mac, DC, and C Webb



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Post#233 » by el loco » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:49 am

AILebronMelo wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



You play in the east and your team is below .500 by 10 games now run along and be proud of your below medicore team.



Actually, his team is the Jazz and he likes to drop in when this team is down. But, you probably won't see him over here tonight since his team is in the process of getting spanked in Chicago. The Jazz suck about as much as we do on the road.

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