Gamethread: Wednesday March 12th

[Blazing_royale]

Baron davis is FRIGGEN CLUTCH

[Ballings7]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bowen's suspended. But for the final contact on the loose ball exchange with Paul. Everything else before was tussling for the loose ball (early part of it), and then incidentally stumbling. The last bump by Bowen's leg I'd say was intentional and was like "get outta here".

The bump on Paul earlier before that just looked like an incidental collison on a possession transition.

[Seattlesun]

split hairs if you like but bowen clearly enaged in a kicking motion at chris pauls upper body and face with motivation.

same old story for bowen and the spurs, things dont go their way, they play the Thug card.

[RobertGlory]

i REALLY wanted the hornets to retaliate a bit, someone like ryan bowen or melvin ely do something to manu or tony, send a message that we won't be messed with.

but in the end our game did the talking.

[killacalijatt]

Game Recap of The Warriors vs TJ FOrd aka Raptors

Monta Ellis again again and again with another stellar performance.
33 points 4 Assists 6 Rebounds on 14-19 Shooting thats 74%

Baron just absulutly killing Toronto in the last 4 minutes of the game.
23Points 15 Assists 4 Rebounds 1 block(on 7 footer Rasho)

[Ballings7]

split hairs if you like but bowen clearly enaged in a kicking motion at chris pauls upper body and face with motivation.

Split hairs? I just said what I saw and remembered with the two incidents involving Bowen and Paul.

Were not in disagreement. Unless other than the last contact, you think there was intent on the rest of the stuff before the former.

[Seattlesun]

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Split hairs? I just said what I saw and remembered with the two incidents involving Bowen and Paul.

Were not in disagreement. Unless other than the last contact, you think there was intent on the rest of the stuff before the former.

Not really. It just looks like a normal hustle play prior to the kick. I dont know why bowen feels a need to do stuff like that. i dont know if its premeditated, planned, encouraged, etc. My hunch is he gets frustrated easily, which we see often with him as regards refs who make the right call and he gets all worked up over it. Problem is, his way of venting is trying to injure his opponent, that is unacceptable.

The problem with bowen is that its a pattern. alot of guys blow up once in awhile, one of my guys did famously when he clotheslined kobe in the playoffs. But when it happens over and over again, that just makes you a punk

[Ballings7]

Not really. It just looks like a normal hustle play prior to the kick. I dont know why bowen feels a need to do stuff like that. i dont know if its premeditated, planned, encouraged, etc. My hunch is he gets frustrated easily, which we see often with him as regards refs who make the right call and he gets all worked up over it. Problem is, his way of venting is trying to injure his opponent, that is unacceptable.

The problem with bowen is that its a pattern. alot of guys blow up once in awhile, one of my guys did famously when he clotheslined kobe in the playoffs. But when it happens over and over again, that just makes you a punk

I'm not sure what it is, but there definitely has been mulitple more than ordinary contact incidents with him. I think some of them have had intent, to get physical and frustrate, but others I think were incidental or I can't tell. Because on certain incidents, his body language and facial expression doesn't show of anything.

And in playing defense, he's active and quick, combined with his reputation as a defender, so he gets away with some more.

But the latter is the main reason why he's made it in this league. I appreciate and enjoy that craft a lot.

[Derekman]

TJ again was one of a few raptors who showed up. Hopefully the haters will finally admit how much the Raps need him

[Seattlesun]

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I'm not sure what it is, but there definitely has been mulitple more than ordinary contact incidents with him. I think some of them have had intent, to get physical and frustrate, but others I think were incidental or I can't tell. Because on certain incidents, his body language and facial expression doesn't show of anything.

And in playing defense, he's active and quick, combined with his reputation as a defender, so he gets away with some more.

But the latter is the main reason why he's made it in this league. I appreciate and enjoy that craft a lot.

why isnt this good enough for him then? he could have gone down and been remembered as a guy that worked his way to a great NBA career. people eat that feel good stuff up. instead, he'll be remembered as a dirty player, if he's remembered at all.

[dockingsched]

TJ again was one of a few raptors who showed up. Hopefully the haters will finally admit how much the Raps need him

i didn't watch this game but last night against the lakers tj absolutely carried the raps down the stretch. without him, the game isn't within reach. i went over to the raps board and they were actually hating on him. it was very surprising.

[doctaJ_92]

If Bowen hasnt been suspended for undercutting 15 different guys so far and kicking Ray Allen what would make you think hes gonna get suspended for the play tonight? The league is dumb and hypocritical. The guy should be out of the league by now, hes clearly out to injure.

[MagicNolesFSU]

If Bowen hasnt been suspended for undercutting 15 different guys so far and kicking Ray Allen what would make you think hes gonna get suspended for the play tonight? The league is dumb and hypocritical. The guy should be out of the league by now, hes clearly out to injure.

Uh no your clearly letting your hatred for the spurs or bruce bowen cloud your judgment

[Ballings7]

why isnt this good enough for him then? *snip* instead, he'll be remembered as a dirty player, if he's remembered at all.

Not by people who put much more emphasis on the collection of the actions, than is actually necessary.

he could have gone down and been remembered as a guy that worked his way to a great NBA career. people eat that feel good stuff up.

He already is known as that and will be remembered as that (correctly by specific types of fans and followers). It just depends by who, and how much his establishment is put out there. His path has been covered in the media variously, several times.

Obviously though, how he's come into his own in the league, hasn't been taken into consideration enough or at all, and a lot of people are recognizing the extraordinary more. Which is a much lesser amount in his career, compared to the rest of it.

That will be their view-point, and it's simply a limited one.

Now, as a whole, will the amount of incidents be part of why he's remembered? Yes. But unless somebody has a limited perspective, it's not the dominant memory. In the case of that, it's just not respecting his career. Which of course is wrong, and truly being a hater and overly ignorant.

[Seattlesun]

"limited perspective" = Most sports and NBA fans. He'll be remembered as a dirty player much as a guy like Laimbeer is despite his many talents

[RobertGlory]

lol I remember Laimbeer for his video game, where you had mines on the court, and it was so ridiculously easy once you figured out how to shoot

once you had 5 laimbeers on your team the only fun was seeing how many points you could score in a game

[Ballings7]

"limited perspective" = Most sports and NBA fans. He'll be remembered as a dirty player much as a guy like Laimbeer is despite his many talents

Yup, which is because of that type of perspective. Which also partly comes from a side of the media. The emphasis on the uncommon.

I don't have a limited perspective. I'm aware of the make-up, rather than a fraction of the make-up.

Thus that is the most credible kind of view-point, because of the expanded nature of it.

Similar goes for Ron Artest. He's done a handful of bad things and that's obviously going to be a notable aspect of his career. But basketball-wise, this still should not get overlooked and lessened, as significant as the negative things he has done. Because in actuality as a player, Artest is one of the most unique players to play the game. Having some individual accomplishments to go with it.

All about the amount and kind of material somebody has. That forms the viewpoint.

[doctaJ_92]

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Uh no your clearly letting your hatred for the spurs or bruce bowen cloud your judgment

He injured two knicks in the same game. Hes undercut numerous players every season. Hes kicked multiple guys. How is he NOT out there to injure? Him sticking his leg under guys repeatedly proves my point, he knows what hes trying to do out there.

[theTHIEF]

Bowen should be suspended...bottom line...I'll bet even Tim Duncan thinks so...