MVP Watch 2008... Part 3.

G35 · Post #721 » by **G35** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:10 am

C'mon Cavs wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ok, then lets compare the guards

LeBron is working with Devin Brown and Damon Jones

Kobe is working with Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar

Please tell me you dont recognize the differnece

You obviously don't realize that big men make more of a difference than perimeter players.

Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar aren't worth anything if the Lakers can't defend or rebound.......

T-Mac for MVP · Post #722 » by **T-Mac for MVP** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:14 am

B-Scott wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree with Mutombo even at 150 years old over Turiaf. Ronny is not a good rebounder at all. It's just plain frustrating watching him get destroyed on the boards.

I dont think the Lakers will slip that far,but if they slipped all the way to 6 or 7 and the Rockets ended up as the 1# seed with Yao out the lineup,then T-mac could have to move ahead of Kobe.

Thats a big if through

lol Lakers have to fall to 6 or 7 AND Rockets need 1st seed for McGrady to be ahead of Kobe in the mvp race? If Lakers fell to 6 or 7 there would be at least half a dozen guys ahead of Kobe in the mvp race, including McGrady as long as Houston is anywhere ahead of Lakers even if it's not first.

G35 · Post #723 » by **G35** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:18 am

lj4mvp wrote:I partially agree - Kobe can't fall behind T-Mac. The top 3 are pretty much set, the order is up for grabs.

Strange, though, how after kobe fans have spent months arguing against taking team injuries into account when evaluating MVP candidates, now suddenly it's the right thing to do?

Injuries are part of the game. I don't think they should be factored in. I'm not giving Kobe a break on it. If the Lakers fall out of the playoff's then Kobe shouldn't be given the award.

There was a comment that Lebron has been playing without his starting C/PF. Oh well injuries are a part of the game. You have to be lucky as well as good. Besides as much as Kobe may want MVP, getting Gasol and Bynum back for the playoffs will be more important to him. Winning the Finals MVP is greater than League MVP imo.......

B-Scott · Post #724 » by **B-Scott** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:21 am

Lakers are 14-3 the last 17 games. Kobe can easily make up for this one loss the next couple of games. Its only one loss

He just cant let disaster strike and have the team drop like a drunk butterfly

Post #725 » by **semi-sentient** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:29 am

B-Scott wrote:Lakers are 14-3 the last 17 games. Kobe can easily make up for this one loss the next couple of games. Its only one loss

He just cant let disaster strike and have the team drop like a drunk butterfly

It's not quite that easy. Dallas and Utah are almost unbeatable at home, and as we know, Turiaf is going to be the Lakers starting center. They basically become a perimeter-only team, so unless they are hitting from the outside at a high percentage, the chances of them winning any of the next 3 games are slim to none.

Judging by what I saw tonight from Fisher and Vujacic, I don't see them taking any of the next 3 unless those teams have a total collapse.

You're setting Kobe up for failure if you think it's within his control to elevate this squad to a level capable of beating the next 3 teams they face. Houston is the only realistic shot (assuming Gasol misses the next 3), and they are playing out of their minds right now, so it isn't exactly the best time in the world to be playing them. Now if the 1st half of the season Fisher returns, their chances improve dramatically, but seeing as how he's been struggling since before the All-Star break, that seems unlikely. Outside of Kobe and Odom, there isn't much hope unless guys are hitting their wide open 3-pointers instead of shooting airballs (I'M LOOKING AT YOU VUJACIC AND RADMAN).

Kobay · Post #726 » by **Kobay** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:35 am

I think we are over due for that kobe ball hog week. He realizes our current situation with the injury and the standings. Last year we were almost out of playoffs and he exploded to save the lakers to a spot. He will take it upon himself to score at will against these teams without a second option.

B-Scott · Post #727 » by **B-Scott** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:35 am

Agreed

Post #728 » by **semi-sentient** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:50 am

Kobay wrote:I think we are over due for that kobe ball hog week. He realizes our current situation with the injury and the standings. Last year we were almost out of playoffs and he exploded to save the lakers to a spot. He will take it upon himself to score at will against these teams without a second option.

He exploded, but those weren't exactly great teams. What I mean by that is those teams weren't good enough to overcome Kobe going nutty, but the upcoming teams that we face are. We need more than just Kobe going off.

Some defense and rebounding would be nice.

For all the crap that I catch about backing Kwame, this is EXACTLY why I think the team needs to go out and sign him on the cheap this offseason. It's not like we get an abundance of scoring from Turiaf, and Kwame is considerably better on the defensive end, not too mention when he does score he's far more efficient.

I'm sure this post will be followed by a barrage of "butterfinger" and "cake" jokes.

B-Scott · Post #729 » by **B-Scott** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:06 am

Semi - On my last post i was agreing with your previous post

I have backed Kwame also for his low post D and simply providing a big body inside.

Turiaf is better off the bench playing against the 2nd units

Post #730 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:30 am

McGrady could enter discussion as a Top 5-7 candidate but he has no shot at winning it IMO.

It's down to three candidates IMO, which are Kobe, CP3 and LeBron. As of now I'd think it'd be Kobe's to lose. I honestly can't see anybody else winning the MVP, though I might even give the edge PERSONALLY to Paul.

Post #731 » by **Harry Palmer** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:54 am

A poster named 'TMACFORMVP', in a discussion about who should win the MVP award, saying it ought not be T-Mac.

Something about this just speaks of the end of days.

jzmagik · Post #732 » by **jzmagik** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:54 am

Harry Palmer wrote:A poster named 'TMACFORMVP', in a discussion about who should win the MVP award, saying it ought not be T-Mac.

Something about this just speaks of the end of days.

CzBoobie · Post #733 » by **CzBoobie** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:17 am

Last five games, CP3 kinda separted himself from the rest, 27.6 ppg and 15.8 apg on 55% shooting...are you kidding me??

MT1983 · Post #734 » by **MT1983** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:36 am

CzBron wrote:Last five games, CP3 kinda separted himself from the rest, 27.6 ppg and 15.8 apg on 55% shooting...are you kidding me??

The boy is sick. My guy for MVP has been Lebron pretty much all year. But it doesn't look like his team is going to win enough games (judging by previous history) to win the award. I think it's honestly going to come down to who wins the west (best regular season record). If the Hornets do, I'm sorry, you have to give it to Paul. Who predicted the Hornets to win even 40 games before the season? If the Lakers have the best record, give it to Kobe.

Tesla · Post #735 » by **Tesla** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:37 am

lj4mvp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who would you swap them with or would you just change the conferences to 16 teams and 14 teams?

Ummm... lets switch them with San Antonio, Phoenix, i don't really care... they don't make the playoffs.

Go look at the standings.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_recor ... d_Div.html

That would put Cleveland at 10th Seed currently, and if you swapped them with any playoff team, it would make them 9th seed.

oops. They don't make the playoffs.

RobertGlory · Post #736 » by **RobertGlory** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:03 am

Harry Palmer wrote:A poster named 'TMACFORMVP', in a discussion about who should win the MVP award, saying it ought not be T-Mac.

Something about this just speaks of the end of days.

well,

i've been giving deron performance of the night on a few occasions on that thread

what can I say? homers usually get a bad rap around here

unless it's me talking about cp3. he's just that damn good

J-Mezzy · Post #737 » by **J-Mezzy** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:31 pm

I got

Kobe
Lebron
Paul
Howard
McGrady

No love to KG from me.

heh8me2 · Post #738 » by **heh8me2** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:01 pm

Insults will not be tolerated. Check your Private Messages. Doc

The cavs have a tendency to play to the level of their opponent. We can have close games against the Spurs or the Celtics and then turn around and play Miami down to the wire. Its a bad habit but thats just the way they have been playing all season. It doesn't help that we have had multiple extended injuries to at least 4 different starters.

Dirk_diggler_41 · Post #739 » by **Dirk_diggler_41** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:34 pm

I don't know how Chris Paul isn't running away with the MVP award. He's having one of the best ever statistical seasons by a point guard--much better than any of Nash's MVP season--while leading his team to the second best record in the West. And he's doing this without another legitimate top 30 player on his team.

G35 · Post #740 » by **G35** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:53 pm

Dirk_diggler_41 wrote:I don't know how Chris Paul isn't running away with the MVP award. He's having one of the best ever statistical seasons by a point guard--much better than any of Nash's MVP season--while leading his team to the second best record in the West. And he's doing this without another legitimate top 30 player on his team.

Didn't West make the All Star team?

Chandler is the 4th leading rebounder in the league at 12.4 rpg? He's also avg'g a double double this year.

Peja is the league leader in 3 pt made shots a game. LEAGUE LEADER. And he shoots it at 46.8% so he isn't just a chucker.

Paul is the leader and makes the whole system work but he isn't playing with scrubs. I would say he has more talent to work with than Lebron. The Lakers when healthy have more talent but we know that's not the case.......