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Post#121 » by maginno » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:25 am

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I see fans and media alike judging the Shaq/Marion and Kidd/Harris & Diop trades only weeks after the trade happened. Same with the Gasol trade. People everywhere are grading these trades. I dont see how the consensus is to wait or year or two. Actually I dont recall ever seeing a trade ignored for a couple of seasons before people start claiming who won/lost.


Of course the trades aren't ignored. thats not even the point. For goodness sakes you have people grading trades BEFORE they even happen. The thing that NONE of them can say is that a trade is PROVEN to be a win for a team based on a short term injury. Link cougar post the links boy. What? none of you have ever turned on a TV and heard a Stephen A type spout out on how a trade or player signing is fantastic and should deliver a championship or do this or that tonly to see it never happen? So of course media types talk and guess what? They are the same media heads that come back a year or two later later and write pieces analyzing trades and players in light of how things actually turned out. Sometimes they even say - Gee this was a bust.

So gentlemen - "thou dost protest as Homers too much". IF ariza being injured means you won the trade what happens if Mo gets injured. they won? LOL!. Sillly stuff. Can any of you say he can't? and If LA keeps a healthy Ariza and MO walks and cookie is buried on the bench how would LA have lost? om what twilight world? Do not those things have a bearing and therefor prove that time is needed to assess as a proven win?

Sorry but I've seen trades that looked bad end up being good. and trades that looked great end up to be washed up in the light of what happens over a year. This is just basic common sense . It s kind of funny that many of you cannot process such a simple common sense fact.


and gato how many times in one thread do I have to tell you that my position is that you can evaluate this trade say in a year. the only time I mentioned anything about an immediate championship is I stated that a championship would validate a trade immediately. You are lost. I never said anywhere that The magic have to win a championship next year. I said all trades have to be evaluated on the basis of how they get you to the goal of winning one NO time limits were set and if you paid attention instead ofgoing into a frenzy when you see my name you'd realize I said repeatedly that say in a years time you could evaluate the trade.

So for all of you. It doesn't really matter what you say. At this point many on your own side have already conceded that long term no one can know for sure SO cougar and this thread have been invalidated. Its that simple. Ariza being temporarily injured doesn't matter one bit to proving a trade a win for the Magic over LA. WHelp louder it won't change it. Logic always wins.

Mo? Hes's okay. Nothing spectacular. Frankly he's s just your flavor of the month. A palatable player among a stack of weak SGs. i've been around long enough to see you get high on a player and then throw him over the side when he he doesn't live up to the hype. Gato of all people should confess Only recently did he change his sig to remove Mo from among the sub par SGs.

I guess its to be expected . Otis hasn't really had very many shinging moments and many of you are desperate for a win for the fellow so you wan't to call the game in the first quarter. :rofl:

Nah. you can kid yourself all you want. real life indicates you will have to play it out longer.
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Post#122 » by BassMaster » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:11 am

I have posted links, but you just ignor them because you know better. I suppose your too good that you can't post links that show how the NBA has not judged the trade as you posted several posts ago.
BTW short weekend don't y'all think.
So for you Otis Smith will never get a passing grade, because you don't value a trade until you pick the time that the trade has some value.
Well most of us consider this a trade that has accomplished what it was suppose to do now not two three years from now or whatever time you think fits your spin.
You should work for a politican your spin would come in handy he/she would always be right even when they are wrong.
Ariza has a history of injuries with every team he has been with. The Lakers just threw the dice hoping that this year he would stay healthy, but they lost that throw. The Magic won with constant good play from Evans and Cook improving every day.
That is a trademark of a good trade for most people except those who just want to put down Otis Smith every time no matter what.
Also I forgot you are not really a Magic fan you like the Heat better you are just here because your Heat really suck and are not going to improve for the next several years and by then they will still be in the Magic's shadow, because the Magic will be improving with a nice steady beat unlike the Heat who imploded after two years of greatness now they are one of the worst teams on record.
Short term goals bring Long term agony for all you Heat fans.
Don't you just love it.
SS mags you don't love it because you will have to endure their pain for so many, many years. Enjoy.
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Post#123 » by maginno » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:36 am

Cougar you haven't posted anything that has not been thoroughly dismantled already. NO the weekend is not over . Just got back in and chilling. Had no idea you cared so much about the quality of my weekend but thanks.

Being the OP I can see how this deeply bothers you but its nothing personal. When I say your conclusions are illogical it s not a personal indictment it s just a statement of fact. No way does a temporary injury prove a trade is a win for a team. Take childish snipes and swings (I don't know if you are a child but its no knock on being one either) but until you put something up that hasn't been blown apart already claims don't matter. IF you really had any links that proved your point you would have put them up. You didn't because none do. End of story.
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Post#124 » by BassMaster » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:59 am

maginno wrote:Cougar you haven't posted anything that has not been thoroughly dismantled already. NO the weekend is not over . Just got back in and chilling. Had no idea you cared so much about the quality of my weekend but thanks.

Being the OP I can see how this deeply bothers you but its nothing personal. When I say your conclusions are illogical it s not a personal indictment it s just a statement of fact. No way does a temporary injury prove a trade is a win for a team. Take childish snipes and swings (I don't know if you are a child but its no knock on being one either) but until you put something up that hasn't been blown apart already claims don't matter. IF you really had any links that proved your point you would have put them up. You didn't because none do. End of story.


I have noticed often that what you consider fact almost everyone else here at this forum considers fiction or just your opinion.
And so far you have not dismantled any link I have posted. In fact you just ignor them and try and change the subject rather then deal with someone else's facts that don't fit your spin like on the subject of your boy toy Ariza.
So I consider with a large grain of salt anything you post and just chalk it up to more spin. And then wait for some other member to post some logic thoughts and facts. It is about the facts and not the spin.
Spin is where you say Ariza should have never been traded that the Magic would have been better off with him still on the team.
Fact shows that the Magic did very well with this trade getting Evans who is now starting and Cook who has added some great minutes so that Dwight doesn't have to carry the total load up front.
Now those are facts not spin.
Spin is you saying that the Heat will be back next year on top.
Fact would have the Heat suffering near the bottom for the next couple/several years because they bet on the short term and got a championship and then bottom slugging for the next decade, because short term goals were more important then long term goals of staying at the top with the elite teams. Nothing elite about the Heat now is there.
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Post#125 » by mhectorgato » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:51 pm

maginno wrote:Cougar you haven't posted anything that has not been thoroughly dismantled already.


As have I with your points, but yet you still persist ...

which is easy I guess if you ignore everything that disproves your posts.
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Post#126 » by BassMaster » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:02 pm

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As have I with your points, but yet you still persist ...

which is easy I guess if you ignore everything that disproves your posts.

mags loves to ignore everyone who disproves her/his posts it's the only way her/his spin comes out on top.
Because when you face the facts nothing that she/he posts shows up very well in the sunlight.
Spin can get you only so far like telling everyone that Ariza being hurt is a temporay problem even though the doctors have just said that the is going to be out the rest of the season. That sounds worse then temp. don't y'all think.
Ariza hasn't had a year without major injury problems and the injuries are all in the same year ankles and feet.
Yes the Magic were very smart to get rid of this liability in return get some players who are healthy and are providing quality minutes to the team.
mags said that you have to wait at least two years before a trade is considered a sucess so what world do you think mags is from la la land or :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: you tell me.
When reading a mags post at first I would end up :banghead: , but after reading the same statements that made me realize that mags was really :crazy: :crazy: then I realized that the best reaction after reading more of mags posts was to :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: now this truly fits the spin world of mags. I :bowdown: to those people here who have been enduring his posts for oh so long. And now I realize why so many of you end up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: when you read her/his posts.
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Post#127 » by maginno » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:50 am

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As have I with your points, but yet you still persist ...

which is easy I guess if you ignore everything that disproves your posts.


Gato when you or Cougar post anything new then I'll respond to it but me answering everything and you claiming it wasn't answered is boring me. So I am yawning off until there is something new to respond to which after all these pages I doubt will be the case anyways.

And cougar nice try but your facts are as usual off. I don't claim that Ariza shouldn't have been traded and still on our bench. had we packaged JJ Ariza and our expirings and gotten a real solution at PF it would have made alot of sense. Poof goes another one of your "facts".

Oh. almost forgot to state that LA apparently has lost the trade with Memphis as well. Gasol is injured. All we need is a rumor that he might now have a structural problem and we can go over to the Grizzlies board and congratulate them :bowdown:

anyway Yawning off until there is something worth responding to. feel free to rehash for another few pages.

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Post#128 » by BassMaster » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:12 am

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Gato when you or Cougar post anything new then I'll respond to it but me answering everything and you claiming it wasn't answered is boring me. So I am yawning off until there is something new to respond to which after all these pages I doubt will be the case anyways.

And cougar nice try but your facts are as usual off. I don't claim that Ariza shouldn't have been traded and still on our bench. had we packaged JJ Ariza and our expirings and gotten a real solution at PF it would have made alot of sense. Poof goes another one of your "facts".

Oh. almost forgot to state that LA apparently has lost the trade with Memphis as well. Gasol is injured. All we need is a rumor that he might now have a structural problem and we can go over to the Grizzlies board and congratulate them :bowdown:

anyway Yawning off until there is something worth responding to. feel free to rehash for another few pages.

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Like I said you believe in short term fix's instead of working towards long term goals. I can see that you truly are a Heat fan. You loved the short term gains, but now you are stuck with a team that has no long term anything except for bottom feeding.
I love how you ignor what everyone else posts and call them worthless, because it doesn't fit your spin. That your opinion is actually fact when in truth it's just spining your opinion that does not face up to any facts because they don't fit your spin.
Well the rest of us will deal with the facts while you stay in your own world of dream land where everything you say is truthful and everyone believes that you are the best of the best. Since that is only way you can keep your sanity. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Post#129 » by mhectorgato » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:43 pm

maginno wrote:Gato when you or Cougar post anything new then I'll respond to it but me answering everything and you claiming it wasn't answered is boring me. So I am yawning off until there is something new to respond to which after all these pages I doubt will be the case anyways.

And cougar nice try but your facts are as usual off. I don't claim that Ariza shouldn't have been traded and still on our bench. had we packaged JJ Ariza and our expirings and gotten a real solution at PF it would have made alot of sense. Poof goes another one of your "facts".

Oh. almost forgot to state that LA apparently has lost the trade with Memphis as well. Gasol is injured. All we need is a rumor that he might now have a structural problem and we can go over to the Grizzlies board and congratulate them :bowdown:

anyway Yawning off until there is something worth responding to. feel free to rehash for another few pages.

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And your rhetorical arguments have held no water. So we are yet again at an impasse.
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