MJS: Bucks have lost 17 games when leading in 4th

[LUKE23]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=729109

That is absolutely amazing. Comes down to:

1. Horrible coaching. LK rarely sticks with what was working or a matchup that is really glaring to our advantage.

2. Horrible guard play. Mo/Redd love to shoot in the fourth when the defense gets a little tougher, instead of working the offense.

3. Horrible D. Teams able to make runs quite easily on us.

4. No clutch players. If Redd is going to the line in the fourth, might as well chalk it up as a L.

Sounds like the Crew and their 16 3+ run blown leads last year.

[Bucks_Revenge]

that falls down to coaching and your star selfish player.......


Larry K and Redd is to fault for that...get rid of both please.

[fam3381]

And they've also set a team record for blowout losses...the moral: when you suck, you find lots of ways to lose.

[worthlessBucks]

And they've also set a team record for blowout losses...the moral: when you suck, you find lots of ways to lose.

Yep.

"17 games in the other direction and we're one of the best teams in the East"

On a serious note Larry K gives this one..

"If you look at games where we're in a game in the fourth quarter, we probably lead the league," coach Larry Krystkowiak said. "We're barely below .500 (5-7) in games decided by three points or less."

[WEFFPIM]

"I bet a lot of those (fourth-quarter) leads are double-digit leads, too," third-year center Andrew Bogut said. "We don't play the same way in the third and the fourth. The ball is moving in the second and the third, and in the fourth . . . every team in the league, if you ask their scouts, they know what we're running in the fourth quarter.

Bazing

[midranger]

Couple things....

1. We have LK on the bench.

2. We have Michael Redd on the court.

3. Mo Williams is EASILY our best 4th quarter performer.

4. We play no defense.

5. We have Michael Redd on the court.



All signs point to being unable to close out games.

[icat2000]

Mo has had his share of dumbo errors in the fourth.

[midranger]

Mo has had his share of dumbo errors in the fourth.

Which is exactly why his being EASILY our best 4th quarter player is not exactly a key to victory.

[rilamann]

There isnt a single player on the Bucks roster I would have any confidence in down the stretch of a close game although I would have confidence in Bogut if he could improve his FT shooting.

Redd is a choker and takes garbage shots.

Mo likes to drive for buzzer beating lay ups when we are down 3 or call time outs that we dont have.

CV seems like a player who doesnt have clutch bone in his body

Bell hell no.

Dez lmao.

Im not even going to go on.

Combine that with zero defensive effort and a coach who doesnt have a clue its easy to see why we've lost so many games.

[skones]

CV seems like a player who doesnt have clutch bone in his body

I disagree, he comes up with some huge offensive boards and put backs at times during games.

[upnorthfan]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=729109

That is absolutely amazing. Comes down to:

1. Horrible coaching. LK rarely sticks with what was working or a matchup that is really glaring to our advantage.

2. Horrible guard play. Mo/Redd love to shoot in the fourth when the defense gets a little tougher, instead of working the offense.

3. Horrible D. Teams able to make runs quite easily on us.

4. No clutch players. If Redd is going to the line in the fourth, might as well chalk it up as a L.

Sounds like the Crew and their 16 3+ run blown leads last year.

By my account we have lost 13 games directly because of bad play down the stretch by Redd and Williams. Gaurds not knowing how to close out games proves catestrophic.

[fam3381]

On a serious note Larry K gives this one..

"If you look at games where we're in a game in the fourth quarter, we probably lead the league," coach Larry Krystkowiak said. "We're barely below .500 (5-7) in games decided by three points or less."

Wait, is LK suggesting that we lead the league in games that we're "in" at some point during the fourth, or that we lead the league in losing games that we're "in"?

His next quote seems to contradict the latter, and given the Bucks have as many blowout losses as anyone, I'm not sure how the former can be anywhere close to true.

I'd guess the Celtics have been "in" a couple more games than us...

[jerrod]

Mo likes to drive for buzzer beating lay ups when we are down 3 or call time outs that we dont have.

so you take 2 things that each happened once and decide that mo likes to do those things.

i've so missed your insight


you forgot that bogut likes to flip off the home fans and fall on desmond mason's knee

[midranger]

The Mo plays were obviously boneheaded. But it is not a repetative attern of behavior like...

Redd who has consistently shot us out of games the previous two years.

Bogut who has consistently disappeared in the 4th the past three years, which IS partly his fault. You can't go to a 50% FT shooter down the stretch of a close game. You just can't.

Outside of two, random, boneheaded plays, Mo has been for the most part lights out in the 4th quarter for 3 full years now. I don't recall any instances of him shooting us out of games Redd-style with 4-5 consecutive forced shots or TOs. And if he has, he hasn't done it repetitively to the point where its assumed, like it is with Redd.

[unklchuk]

"The Mo plays were obviously boneheaded. But it is not a repetative attern of behavior like... "

The repetitive pattern of behavior is Mo not knowing what to do at the end of games, not seeing opportunities and being limited to Mo taking the shot. That lack of leadership makes every teammate (including Redd) look worse than they are.

Leadership doesn't absolutely have to come from PG, but it helps so much when it does. Given the lack of leadership on the court, Larry K doesn't know how to provide it from the coach position.

[showtimesam]

Yup, this team needs a pg that can actually direct an offense and get people good shots down the stretch.

[Bucks_Revenge]

we need a pg with a basketball IQ over 20/100

[rilamann]

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so you take 2 things that each happened once and decide that mo likes to do those things.

i've so missed your insight


you forgot that bogut likes to flip off the home fans and fall on desmond mason's knee

Bogut flipping off fans isnt going to cost the Bucks victories.

And Bogut falling on Dez sure as hell wouldnt cost the Bucks any victories.

As for the the 2 things Mo did this season I have never seen a starting NBA pg do either of those things ever.

When a guy who is supposed to be your starting PG does things like that its a huge red flag.

Granted a team that has Mo Williams as its starting PG would never make it to a game 7 but Mo is not a guy i'd have much confidence with in a big game or a game 7.

We wont even get into his defense but his (lack of) basketball IQ and shot selection alone are enough to cost his team a game down the stretch.

The catch with Mo is he has an ability to make tough and or bad shots but I dont want to live and die by that in crunch time.

[jerrod]

all i'm arguing with you about at this exact point in time, is that you implied that those things had happened more than once


and they haven't

[midranger]

Mo makes Redd look worse now? Wow.

Redd makes humanity look worse with his 4th quarter antics.