Time To See Or Showcase J.J. Redick

AdamTheGreek · Post #1 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:25 pm

The rare, but feasible, good Brian Schmitz article.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports ... ee---.html

The Magic are virtually locked into the No. 3 seed in the Eastern Conference playoff race, unable to go up or down in the final 10 games, barring bizarre happenstance.

And as much as Coach Stan Van Gundy wants to win and polish the club's record, he has to get J.J. Redick some playing time.

The club has to see what J.J. can do outside the practice floor.

If these are Redick's last 10 games in Orlando --- and who thinks he'll see the light of day in the postseason? --- then the Magic at least need to show other teams that he has value.

J.J. still has a timeless quality --- he can shoot lights out. And if Jason Kapono and Matt Carroll and Luther Head and Eddie House and Kyle Korver can make it, is there any reason to believe Redick can't carve a spot somewhere as a shooter? Are those aforementioned gentlemen known as good defenders? No.

We know what Mo Evans can do as the starting shooting guard. We know what his backup, Keith Bogans, can do as Mo's backup. We don't really know what Redick can do except sit on the bench and look peeved.

Once we clinch the division and the #3 spot, I say give JJ a good 15 minutes in the final 5 games.

Post #2 » by **craig01** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:29 pm

I'd just like to see Redick PLAY in 4 or 5 games in a row.

cmor42180 · Post #3 » by **cmor42180** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:01 pm

i say when we are clinched up we just start him, if we are locked in the 3 spot give our core limited play time to rest them up for the playoffs and give our bench some playing time to see what we have for depth, and also test who we want to keep and let go

aleZ · Post #4 » by **aleZ** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:36 pm

I wouldn't call .33% from three and .44% from the field "lights out" like schmitz does. They're decent/average percentages for a shooting guard, nothing more and nothing less.

I still like JJ, but it's clear as the sun his days in Orlando are numbered and he's already headed somewhere else. Reason #1 is StanVanGundy, who clearly doesn't like him as a player.

mhectorgato · Post #5 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:40 pm

craig01 wrote:I'd just like to see Redick PLAY in 4 or 5 games in a row.

Or my version:

I would just liked to see Redick PLAY in 4 or 5 games in a row before the deadline.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #6 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:01 pm

I continue to just sit here and chuckle...

But I would like to see JJ get playing time just so we can maybe get some value for him.

Post #7 » by **craig01** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:04 pm

Yeah, that would have been nice.

The whole Redick situation really is bothersome to me.

I'd like to know what the real truth of the matter is and where the fault lies (i.e. no talent, bad attitude, coach hates him, just another lousy draft pick, or another player that the organization lets slip away only to be productive somewhere else).

Since NOBODY has seen Redick play much OUTSIDE of practice, it is impossible for anyone to make a definitive claim as to his ability to play in the NBA.

OMPunk · Post #8 » by **OMPunk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:07 pm

Otis doesn't want to trade JJ and as already shown he is stubborn and will stick with him because he wants JJ to be patient.

I really don't see Redick going anywhere. I think JJ bides his time and will eventually works into the rotation. He was very close earlier this year....if not for that back injury.

AdamTheGreek · Post #9 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:18 pm

I see JJ during pregame and halftime practice, and the kid just f*cks around. Adonal makes more jumpers than JJ during the warm-ups because JJ is trying to do his best Diener fadeaway shot impression.
His spirit is probably completely f*cked, but be a damn professional and at least look like you're earning millions.

Pat Bastard is the greatest example of how it should be done, and JJ may have laughed at Pat's awkard moments and patting him on the a** when he had that brilliant game last week, but JJ would have a chance at minutes if he'd just play as a damn pro rather than cry to his agent. If you're discontent, tell your coach and try to earn SVG's respect.

3-Pt_Shooter · Post #10 » by **3-Pt_Shooter** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:19 pm

Well, its good to see that most the Magic fans out there want to see JJ Redick get some more playing time - he either gets 2-3 minutes or doesn't play at all... Being the all-time leading 3-pt shooter in the NCAA and ACC, The guy is a proven shooter.

He just needs to get consistent playing time, which hasn't happened for his first two seasons in the NBA. I really like the comparison of him to Jason Kipono and Kyle Corver. Does anyone doubt that J.J. could at least live up to the level of those two guys?

I would like to see the Magic either give him a REAL chance or move him to another team. Any thoughts?

Peace out!

mhectorgato · Post #11 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:20 pm

3-Pt_Shooter wrote:Well, its good to see that most the Magic fans out there want to see JJ Redick get some more playing time - he either gets 2-3 minutes or doesn't play at all... Being the all-time leading 3-pt shooter in the NCAA and ACC, The guy is a proven shooter.

He just needs to get consistent playing time, which hasn't happened for his first two seasons in the NBA. I really like the comparison of him to Jason Kipono and Kyle Corver. Does anyone doubt that J.J. could at least live up to the level of those two guys?

I would like to see the Magic either give him a REAL chance or move him to another team. Any thoughts?

Peace out!

Are you JJ?
Do you represent JJ in any way?
Do you stand to profit monetarily from JJ's likeness or name?

3-Pt_Shooter · Post #12 » by **3-Pt_Shooter** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:28 pm

No... I'm not J.J. and don't stand to gain anything (except sheer satisfaction) from his ultimate prosperity in the NBA. However, since his days at Duke I've been impressed with his dead-eye perimeter shooting.

Also, here is the thing... shooters need to be out on the floor to get into the rhythm of the game. Let J.J. run around, get open, and set some screens for him (ala Rip Hamilton with the Pistons) and see how he does.

How about a trade - Luke Walton for J.J. Redick? For some reason, the guy obviously hasn't been given a fair chance in Orlando.

mhectorgato · Post #13 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:34 pm

3-Pt_Shooter wrote:No... I'm not J.J. and don't stand to gain anything (except sheer satisfaction) from his ultimate prosperity in the NBA. However, since his days at Duke I've been impressed with his dead-eye perimeter shooting.

Also, here is the thing... shooters need to be out on the floor to get into the rhythm of the game. Let J.J. run around, get open, and set some screens for him (ala Rip Hamilton with the Pistons) and see how he does.

How about a trade - Luke Walton for J.J. Redick? For some reason, the guy obviously hasn't been given a fair chance in Orlando.

My follow up questions are these:

What relationship do you have with the Orlando Magic?
Is it just a marriage of convenience?
Or do your ties with the NBA team known as the Orlando Magic run deeper?

Inquiring minds want to know!

KnightChris · Post #14 » by **KnightChris** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:35 pm

aleZ wrote:I wouldn't call .33% from three and .44% from the field "lights out" like schmitz does. They're decent/average percentages for a shooting guard, nothing more and nothing less.

I'm not sure how much stock you can put in those numbers. You're talking about a guy that seldom gets into games, and when he does he's only in there for a couple minutes at a time. He's never really had a chance to spend significant minutes on the floor in one stretch, allowing him to get into the kind of rhythm and hot streak that great shooters thrive in. Instead, he's been coming in cold at the tail end of games, after sitting on his butt for 2 hours, and then throwing up random meaningless shots. As such, I put no stock whatsoever in his percentages this season.

Like most people, I have no idea if J.J. has what it takes to make it at this level as a complete (or even role) player in the NBA. However, purely as a shooter, I don't think the guy has anything to prove to anyone. For that matter, people that have seen him in practice and JJ himself all say he's an even BETTER shooter now than he was in college.

The guy can flat out drain the 3 (maybe even the best of his generation), but as so many have said, it takes more than that to make it in the NBA. Like Schmitz, I would like a chance to see what the kid's got besides just a sweet shot.

-Chris

Post #15 » by **SOUL** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:36 pm

I wouldn't do it for Luke, I hope we could get some sort of big for him.. unless we go after that in the draft.

mhectorgato · Post #16 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:40 pm

KnightChris wrote:The guy can flat out drain the 3 (maybe even the best of his generation),

He's no Kapono - the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA.

KnightChris · Post #17 » by **KnightChris** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:29 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He's no Kapono - the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "generation." I was comparing him to the players in his own draft class as well as the previous and following year's draft classes (a 3 year span). Although I must admit, that is a poor way to definine a "generation" as that term usually does imply a much longer span of time.

-Chris

paperboymafia · Post #18 » by **paperboymafia** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:48 pm

craig01 wrote:Yeah, that would have been nice.

The whole Redick situation really is bothersome to me.

I'd like to know what the real truth of the matter is and where the fault lies (i.e. no talent, bad attitude, coach hates him, just another lousy draft pick, or another player that the organization lets slip away only to be productive somewhere else).

Since NOBODY has seen Redick play much OUTSIDE of practice, it is impossible for anyone to make a definitive claim as to his ability to play in the NBA.

we'll probably find out after hes on another team.

lovehoops01 · Post #19 » by **lovehoops01** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:59 pm

The interesting thing about 3-Pt. Shooter is he is a new poster who just happens to drop in to comment on J.J. Redick and then suggests a trade to the Lakers, who play in Los Angeles -- where, conveniently, J.J.'s agent (Arn Tellem, also Tracy McGrady's agent) is based.

The situation with J.J. now is interesting. You can see that Otis doesn't want to trade him and that Stan has been reluctant to play him up to this point. No one really can tell if J.J. really can play and just hasn't been given the opportunity so he is rusty in his limited opportunities. Or whether he will struggle to carve out a career in the NBA. And I think there is one other thing that we have to at least consider. He might be so frustrated by his time here that even when he does get game time, he doesn't play his best in hopes that the Magic want to get rid of him, too. It doesn't seem like a smart guy like J.J. would go that route, but you never know what guys will do when they want to get out of a situation.

BassMaster · Post #20 » by **BassMaster** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:05 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He's no Kapono - the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA.

Your right mhectorgato JJ is not Kapono he is that and much more then Kapono will ever be. So no Kapono is not the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA.
Sorry I had to point out how wrong you are and keep on being when it comes to the greatest.

And in response to lovehoops JJ is not the kind of player who does not give his all to his team. You should read his blogs that he has posted at his website the last one is the best about how he feels about the Magic.
He supports his team to the max so yes he will give his no matter if it is just garbage time or not.