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Post#21 » by GSW2K4 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:01 pm

The_Believer wrote:Why would we trade Baron while he's still very good? How about we sign Brand and/or Marion for next year? We blame Baron for under-achieving, but at the same time, it's our FO's fault for not getting any quality post scorers for him.


I too would actually prefer to keep Baron -- I've been very much opposed to the team moving him for some time. And I'm not actually blaming him for all the team's problems. Without him, we would not even be sniffing the playoffs right now. Plus, he's an exciting player. And you're right that a low post scorer/defender would solve a number of the problems we have.

BUT I'm also interested in progress. And if we're not going to be a competitive playoff team, holding on to Baron (and his contract) seems to be an impediment...even to obtain the low post scorer that you say we need.

So the way I see it, Baron has value and that value can be turned into assets for the future. It's not about just dumping him, but at least entertaining options (trading him to the east and getting a high pick + something else is risky, but appealing to me).

While I think Marion is someone who would fit Nellieball, we're still not a contender even with Marion -- the West is absolutely stacked right now. Plus the Suns shipped him for a reason and he's definitely not the answer to our problems.

Brand would be nice... but where is that money going to come from and what would we have to give up to make room for him? And really -- can you imagine what Nellie might do with Brand? The thought frightens me...
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Post#22 » by The_Believer » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:08 pm

^^^ That's why I was advocating to get KG last summer. I can't imagine how good him and Baron would be right now, and the kinds of stats they would be averaging on this team. And aren't there even worse contracts than Baron's? I'd be willing to sacrifice Al, Pietrus, and others to get the big we need. Also, we could draft Joey Dorsey/Robin Lopez or some big to fill our void there. This superstar backcourt + a good big man = instant championship.
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Post#23 » by Head Leader » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:11 pm

LF75 wrote:I dont know if everyone does...Seems like I'm the only 1 here in love with the idea of Love on the warriors...Why do I want him? I like tough guys who are great passers...I love the Love kid...Have you seen his outlet passes? You cant actually be a hoops fan and not love Love's outlets..That's not even possible...

He's smart, he's got great touch on his shot, he gets line like crazy...He's strong as bull...He's super competitive..He blocked liked 7 shots the other day..The kid is sic....The best thing about Kevin is he doesnt look like a basketball player..That's awesome..That means a stiff like Lopez will get selected ahead of him :bowdown: ..It's insane...


ive seen his outlet passes, and they are great... but your forgetting one thing... who is he going to defend, and will his sophomoric post moves work in the nba.

he has a nice jumper. but hes not very athletic, or tall, his lateral quickness is subpar... a great shot blocker in the nba? i doubt it.

i suppose bringing ihm off the bench as a PF would be okay for like 8 minutes a agme.. i just dont see him being a huge impact defensivly.. more like a negative impact...then again im wrong about players alot. so ill take my lumps if he does well in the nba (i dont see it)
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Post#24 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:27 pm

I didnt say he was going to be a great shot blocker in the NBA...Come on now...I like him as a player and I think he'd going to be a good NBA frontline player..Especially if you put him next to a lanky athletic shot blocking big....

The great thing about this is we're going to find out...(as long as Love stays healthy :pray: )

That's why I like this sh*t..You can put on record and get your talent evaluation exposed ...Good or bad...My record is amazing..Why somebody isnt paying me millions for my eye of talent ? I have no idea...These guys are nuts giving it to the Isiah's, MJ's and Bird's.
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Post#25 » by floppymoose » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:46 pm

I'd like to believe in Love, and even though I've only seen a few minutes of him, I saw the beautiful outlet passes. But the guy gets blocked more at the NCAA level then Troy does in the pro's. It's amazing. He seems like Troy Murphy back when Troy was tough, only adding in Dunleavy's passing and subtracting 2 inches of height. It's a tough sell for me.
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Post#26 » by GSW2K4 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:51 pm

Yeah I agree with gsw510... I don't see Love translating well to the NBA -- a fringe starter or good bench player at best. He's a very skilled player and has tremendous strength, but it's not exactly clear which of his attributes will translate well to the NBA. In particular the things we need -- rebounding and defense, where I imagine he'll be out muscled by most NBA men -- don't figure to be the things he'll contribute. The outlet passes are beautiful though and would definitely be useful for our transition game.

Draftexpress likes him to Sean May as a worst case and that seems to be an accurate projection, though I think Love is much more skilled than May was at this point in his development. But I guess the point is that given the potential holes in his game, I'm not sure he's right for the Warriors.

If he falls to us at 14 or 20? I would definitely be all for that...but that's highly unlikely.
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Post#27 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:04 pm

Love's got baskeball quickness...That's not the same a NBA athleticism..I think people get confused..Thats' why Yi's potential was so highly regarded last summer...People didnt notice his lack of quickness to the ball and his bad hands...All they saw was his great size and his athleticism...Love is extremly quick to the ball..His offensive inside game is awesome..Watch him..It's not like he's scoring because he's longer than the college player..He's scoring inside because great reflexes , his great hands and insane ability to know where to be on the floor.
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Post#28 » by rutheredfox » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:17 pm

i'm a huge fan of love and i dont think i've seen a better outlet passer. that being said, i'm sad that his type of player will never succeed in the nba. that goes for hansborough also. although they are two different types. but i wouldnt mind drafting love at 15`18. he'd be like richman's brian scalabrine.
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Post#29 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:23 pm

There's so many players rated higher than Love right now that I can promise you will be stiffs....Love might not make in the NBA..But I'd pick him with my 3-14 pick.

I rememeber last years lottery,,what a joke...Guys like AC Law, Yi, Conley and Hawes were getting so much praise...I had that draft on lockdown baby.
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Post#30 » by GSW2K4 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:30 pm

I do agree with you about "basketball quickness". He seems to have really good court awareness. In fact, one thing that I always look for in a college player is exactly that and their ability to use their basketball quickness to take over games. Love definitely has that...and it seems quite rare at his age.

I think the thing about him is that he also seems to rely a lot on his strength and just being stronger than a lot of his opponents. So I wonder how he'll be able to adjust once in the pros. It's certainly not an insurmountable obstacle, but take away his strength advantage and what you have is a short Murphleavy... it's just less appealing that way.
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Post#31 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:36 pm

I dont see Love and Murph having any similarities besides being white.
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Post#32 » by GSW2K4 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 10:46 pm

I was actually borrowing Floppy's comparison:

"He seems like Troy Murphy back when Troy was tough, only adding in Dunleavy's passing and subtracting 2 inches of height. It's a tough sell for me."

It's certainly not a direct comparison. I think he can bring some of that tenacity Murphy initially had, plus he has nice touch on his shot. But clearly, he has a much better post game now than Murphy ever has had and is much more skilled overall...
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Post#33 » by TB » Fri Apr 4, 2008 1:11 am

Rose may be a UCLA Baron comparison... but Tyreke Evans is the current Baron comparison.
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Post#34 » by azwfan » Fri Apr 4, 2008 1:54 am

I'm not 100% sold on Love. Having said that, i'd take him over anyone in this draft except beasley and Rose. Love is better then webber at everything webber was good at... and he has intensity and heart... but he's fat. :-?
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Post#35 » by Sid the Squid » Fri Apr 4, 2008 1:59 am

TB wrote: but Tyreke Evans is the current Baron comparison.
Are you talking about the kid from the Mac high school all-star game? What an incredible azz that kid is..Baron's shot selection looks golden next to that punk's.
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Post#36 » by TB » Fri Apr 4, 2008 2:10 am

LF75 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you talking about the kid from the Mac high school all-star game? What an incredible azz that kid is..Baron's shot selection looks golden next to that punk's.


yup, thats the kid. and yup, that was chucking at its finest. But after seeing few games of his, his 1 on 1 skillset is very reminiscent of Barons in smallball.
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Post#37 » by bill curley II » Fri Apr 4, 2008 2:21 am

azwfan wrote:I'm not 100% sold on Love. Having said that, i'd take him over anyone in this draft except beasley and Rose. Love is better then webber at everything webber was good at... and he has intensity and heart... but he's fat. :-?


I agree with that and would take Love right after Beasley and Rose. To me, Love reminds me a bit of Karl Malone during Malone's MVP run later in his career. Obviously, Love won't be as good, and doesn't have that automatic mid range shot yet, but he does have a good outside shot, really plays angles well in the post, great passer, and always is in the right spot for rebounding.
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Post#38 » by Sid the Squid » Fri Apr 4, 2008 2:47 am

Kevin's easily the best fit in this draft as far as playing next to Wright or AB15...

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