RealGM Best Team Ever Tournament: Winner inside..

[SOUL]

REALGM BEST TEAM EVER BRACKETS


I'm going to be doing a sim (using whatifsports.com) finding out what the best team EVER was. Now, I'm going to need help because I don't know about every team.. so if you can post the year/record/how far they got like I did for the Magic I'll edit it in (if you have several great teams like Lakers/Bulls/Celtics just pick your favorite and I'll take the first one, and if two teams never won anything pick the one that was better not the better record.) 2 teams needed byes so I just picked the two dynasties, couldn't do it any other way. Also, most of the matchups are just done from listing the teams from division, since seeding would be objective and take forever.


WINNER = CHICAGO BULLS





The Prize:

[theGreatRC]

MIN: 2003-2004 (58-24 WCF)

Sad, I know.

[Myth_Breaker]

REALGM BEST TEAM EVER BRACKETS


I'm going to be doing a sim (using whatifsports.com) finding out what the best team EVER was. Now, I'm going to need help because I don't know about every team.. so if you can post the year/record/how far they got like I did for the Magic I'll edit it in (if you have several great teams like Lakers/Bulls/Celtics just pick your favorite and I'll take the first one. 2 teams needed byes so I just picked the two dynasties, couldn't do it any other way. Also, most of the matchups are just done from listing the teams from division, since seeding would be objective and take forever.



ECF

First round byes: The Dynasties

BOS
LAL

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TOR
NJ

NY
DET

CLE
IND

CHI
MIL

ORL team: (1994-95 Season 57-25 NBA Finals)
WAS

ATL
CHA

MIA
NO

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WCF

SAS
HOU

DAL
MEM

UTA
DEN

POR
MIN

SEA
PHI

PHX
GS

SAC
LAC

The Prize:

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Please take into account these squads:

1966/67 Sixers: 68-13 (then NBA record): they ended series of 8 Boston championships in a row. In 1980 voted as the best team ever.
1970/71 Bucks: 66-16, 20 wins in a row (then NBA record), 12-2 in the playoffs.
1971/72 Lakers: 69-13 (then NBA record), 33 wins in a row (still record of all American professional leagues). 31-7: best road winning percentage in history.
1982/83 Sixers: 65-17, 12-1 in playoffs: the best percentage in playoffs until 2001 Lakers.
1985/86 Celtics: 67-15, 40-1 at home: best home winning percentage in history.
1986/87 Lakers: 65-17, beat those Celts 4-2 in the Finals.
2000/2001 Lakers: 56-26, 15-1 in playoffs (still standing NBA record).
Of course there were also Bulls, but: first, they were overrated; second, they're going to be advertised in this thread anyway by dudes who don't know much about basketball except Chicago, so please forgive me if I don't join the choir.

[Schad]

Toronto would have to be the 2000-01 squad; 47-35, made the 2nd round.

The 2005-06 Grizzlies squad (four-and-out in the first round) may have been their best, even though the 2003-04 team won an extra game. Best Pyth. W/L, at least.

This years' Bobcats team is their best yet in terms of talent (30-49 and counting, 12th in the conference), IMO.

The 2002-03 Nets team (49-33, made the Finals) put up better numbers than the '01/'02 team, despite winning three fewer games...the '02/'03 roster might be more competitive in this format, however. Nets fans can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, though (I swear, not an attempt to sabotage the first round ).

[Myth_Breaker]

Toronto would have to be the 2000-01 squad; 47-35, made the 2nd round.

The 2005-06 Grizzlies squad (four-and-out in the first round) may have been their best, even though the 2003-04 team won an extra game. Best Pyth. W/L, at least.

This years' Bobcats team is their best yet in terms of talent (30-49 and counting, 12th in the conference), IMO.

The 2002-03 Nets team (49-33, made the Finals) put up better numbers than the '01/'02 team, despite winning three fewer games...the '02/'03 roster might be more competitive in this format, however. Nets fans can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, though (I swear, not an attempt to sabotage the first round ).

If we talk about this angle, what about 1987/88 Mavericks (53 wins, lost in WCF in 7 to the powerful Showtime Lakers) being arguably better than all their later incarnations under Cuban?

[SOUL]

Yeah, it'll be hard between the better record and better team. But as long as you aren't trying to compare a championship team to one that isnt, its fair. So if theres some more opinions on it like the Nets and Mavs i'll gladly see and look over myself too.

[JordansBulls]

REALGM BEST TEAM EVER BRACKETS


I'm going to be doing a sim (using whatifsports.com) finding out what the best team EVER was. Now, I'm going to need help because I don't know about every team.. so if you can post the year/record/how far they got like I did for the Magic I'll edit it in (if you have several great teams like Lakers/Bulls/Celtics just pick your favorite and I'll take the first one, and if two teams never won anything pick the one that was better not the better record.) 2 teams needed byes so I just picked the two dynasties, couldn't do it any other way. Also, most of the matchups are just done from listing the teams from division, since seeding would be objective and take forever.


First two rounds are best-of-5.




FIRST ROUND BYES

BOS team: (1985-1986 Season 67-15 NBA Championship)
LAL

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ECF


TOR team: (2000-2001 Season 47-35 2nd round)
NJ

NY
DET

CLE
IND

CHI
MIL team: (1970-1971 Season 66-16 NBA Championship)

ORL team: (1994-1995 Season 57-25 NBA Finals)
WAS

ATL
PHI team: (1982-1983 Season 65-17 NBA Championship)

MIA
CHA (post)


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WCF

SAS
HOU

DAL
MEM

UTA
DEN

POR
MIN team: (2003-2004 Season 58-24 WCF)

SEA
NO (pre move)

PHX
GS

SAC
LAC

The Prize:

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Good idea. How do the Celtics and Lakers get the bye series?

The team with the best records are the ones that get the bye not some random team. Also "myth_fabricator" indicates the Bulls are overrated, well I can say the same thing about any of the teams he listed especially if they didn't repeat or 3 peat or if they lost series with homecourt advantage.

Here was an example of some of the best teams ever, this gives an overview of what each one accomplished.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2 ... alists1-10



Also here is another list regarding the top 10 teams ever.

http://www.nba.com/history/toptenteams_index.html

Also he forget to list the '95-96 Bulls who had the best record in NBA History. They were #1 in both defensive and offensive efficiency, average margin of victory was double digits in the season and playoffs. Also the 33-8 mark on the road was the most wins ever in a season on the road.

[SOUL]

Boston/Lakers got the byes just because of their histories, either way its hard but impossible to do with 30 teams so I had to give them it. I almost considered putting the Bulls but oh well.

Thanks for the lists.

[JordansBulls]

Boston/Lakers got the byes just because of their histories, either way its hard but impossible to do with 30 teams so I had to give them it. I almost considered putting the Bulls but oh well.

Thanks for the lists.

Well unless you are combining all the players across generations then the teams with the best records are the ones that should get the byes not the teams who have the best history. '85-86 Celtics have no relevance to what the 60's Celtics did because they are totally different teams. Now if you were combining the players from the 60's Celtics and 80's Celtics then the byes make sense, but since you will be comparing particular teams then the team with the best records should be the ones with the bye.

[SOUL]

Actually you have a point. I might change it then.

[Schad]

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If we talk about this angle, what about 1987/88 Mavericks (53 wins, lost in WCF in 7 to the powerful Showtime Lakers) being arguably better than all their later incarnations under Cuban?

I was using furthest progress in the playoffs, with Pythagorean win/loss as the tiebreaker, rather than conventional win/loss. It's basically a toss-up, but as whatifsports uses statistical modeling, my thought was that the better team on paper would likely prove the superior choice.

With those Nets teams, there's also the question of whether 52-30 before being swept in the Finals is better than 49-33 and going down in six.

[SOUL]

Thanks for sticky.

Some teams I'm having trouble with:

90's Utah finals teams.. I really don't know which were better.

Price/Daugherty Cavs vs LeBrons finals cavs.

Championship Sonics vs 90's Sonics finals team.

The NY finals teams.

[Myth_Breaker]

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I was using furthest progress in the playoffs, with Pythagorean win/loss as the tiebreaker, rather than conventional win/loss. It's basically a toss-up, but as whatifsports uses statistical modeling, my thought was that the better team on paper would likely prove the superior choice.

With those Nets teams, there's also the question of whether 52-30 before being swept in the Finals is better than 49-33 and going down in six.

1) I was rather thinking about more direct comparisons, taking into account level of competition (and 1988 Mavs had it much harder).
2) If it counts for something, in 2003 Finals Nets had a chance (I remember wild cheering for them during very close games, just like Kenyon's courageous defense on TD). While a year earlier vs. the Lakers - no chance in hell.

[SOUL]

Just a couple more teams to put in, I'll probably start doing the first round tonight for the eastern conference.

[SOUL]

1ST ROUND - RAPTORS 2000-2001 VS. NETS 2002-2003























Game 1: Toronto 97 @ NJ 120
J. Kidd: 26/6/9
Carter: 25/1/2

Game 2: NJ 97 @ Toronto 105
A. Davis: 23/12
Carter: 31/7
J. Kidd: 10/7/14

Game 3: Toronto 110 @ NJ 101
Carter: 46/3/4
J. Kidd: 26/6/8
Alvin W: 18/4

Game 4: NJ 107 @ Toronto 102
J. Kidd: 11/10/13
Van Horn: 26/6
Carter: 34/10
Oakley: 17/15

Game 5: Toronto 68 (ouch) @ NJ 96
Van Horn: 11/15
J. Kidd: 16/4/6
Carter: 25/2

Good first series, Toronto put up more of a fight than I thought but got absolutely demolished the last game. Carter really didn't have any help on the offensive side. I'll prob get to a couple more tonight, got a little more busy than I expected.

2002-2003 NETS ADVANCE








1ST ROUND - KNICKS 1969-1970 VS CAVS 1991-1992





















Game 1: Cleveland 125 @ NY 124
Daugherty (Cavs): 31/12/6
Nance (Cavs): 16/12
Reed (Knicks): 26/21/5
Frazier (Knicks): 24/9/7

Game 2: NY 120 @ Cleveland 130
Barnett (Knicks): 20/3/3
Reed (Knicks): 25/14
Daugherty (Cavs): 22/11/5
Nance (Cavs): 15/13/4/5 blocks

Game 3: Cleveland 118 @ NY 96
Hot Rod Williams (Cavs): 18/11/6 blocks
Debusschere (Knicks): 16/13


Wow, that was quick. And the first upset of the tournament. Daugherty/Williams/Nance really put up great numbers against that Knicks team and Frazier really wasn't that effective, nor was Debusschere.

1991-1992 CAVS ADVANCE

[SOUL]

1ST ROUND DETROIT 1988-1989 VS INDIANA 1999-2000




















Game 1: Indiana 108 @ Detroit 118
M. Jackson (IND): 11/3/12
Laimbeer (DET): 14/19
Vinnie Johnson (DET): 24/3

Game 2: Detroit 108 @ Indiana 111
Thomas (DET): 13/13/9
Rodman (DET): 15/16
Rose (IND): 21/4/6
M. Jackson (IND): 8/4/12

Game 3: Indiana 113 @ Detroit 105
Rose (IND): 29/8/9
Miller (IND): 20/3/4
Dumars (DET): 12/4/11

Game 4: Detroit 117 @ Indiana 115 (OT)
Laimbeer (DET): 16/11/9
Thomas (DET): 24/4/9
Rose (IND): 24/10/9
D. Davis (IND): 18/18

Game 5: Indiana 89 @ Detroit 102
Dantley (DET): 16/1
Thomas (DET): 22/3/10
Rik Smits (IND): 16/4
Croshere (IND): 10/10/4


This was a REALLY good series, best one yet. Detroit got off to a slow start and I thought the Pacers would take it, but as you can see Miller showed up in only 1 of the games while Rose was picking up all of the slack. Detroit's bench was awesome thoughout the series and thats what won it for them although you can't see since I cant post all of the stats.

1988-1989 PISTONS ADVANCE

[JordansBulls]

1ST ROUND - RAPTORS 2000-2001 VS. NETS 2002-2003

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Game 1: Toronto 97 @ NJ 120
J. Kidd: 26/6/9
Carter: 25/1/2

Game 2: NJ 97 @ Toronto 105
A. Davis: 23/12
Carter: 31/7
J. Kidd: 10/7/14

Game 3: Toronto 110 @ NJ 101
Carter: 46/3/4
J. Kidd: 26/6/8
Alvin W: 18/4

Game 4: NJ 107 @ Toronto 102
J. Kidd: 11/10/13
Van Horn: 26/6
Carter: 34/10
Oakley: 17/15

Game 5: Toronto 68 (ouch) @ NJ 96
Van Horn: 11/15
J. Kidd: 16/4/6
Carter: 25/2

Good first series, Toronto put up more of a fight than I thought but got absolutely demolished the last game. Carter really didn't have any help on the offensive side. I'll prob get to a couple more tonight, got a little more busy than I expected.

2002-2003 NETS ADVANCE








1ST ROUND - KNICKS 1969-1970 VS CAVS 1991-1992

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Game 1: Cleveland 125 @ NY 124
Daugherty (Cavs): 31/12/6
Nance (Cavs): 16/12
Reed (Knicks): 26/21/5
Frazier (Knicks): 24/9/7

Game 2: NY 120 @ Cleveland 130
Barnett (Knicks): 20/3/3
Reed (Knicks): 25/14
Daugherty (Cavs): 22/11/5
Nance (Cavs): 15/13/4/5 blocks

Game 3: Cleveland 118 @ NY 96
Hot Rod Williams (Cavs): 18/11/6 blocks
Debusschere (Knicks): 16/13


Wow, that was quick. And the first upset of the tournament. Daugherty/Williams/Nance really put up great numbers against that Knicks team and Frazier really wasn't that effective, nor was Debusschere.

1991-1992 CAVS ADVANCE

I know the 1991-1992 Cavs were good, but no way in hell they beat the 1969-1970 Knicks.

[SOUL]

They're going all the way baby! Watch out Bulls.

1ST ROUND - 1985-1986 CELTICS VS 2005-2006 HEAT






















Game 1: Heat 97 @ Celtics 107
Bird (BOS): 24/15/5
Parish (BOS): 20/16
O'Neal (MIA): 22/14
Wade (MIA): 25/2/8

Game 2: Celtics 117 @ Heat 101
Bird (BOS): 29/13/8
McHale (BOS): 24/14/4 blks
O'Neal (MIA): 19/9

Game 3: Heat 115 @ Celtics 128
Bird (BOS): 26/15/6
Parish (BOS): 24/13
DJ (BOS): 16/2/7
Ainge (BOS): 6/8/8
Wade (MIA): 37/4/5

Predictable series. Most people thought that the Heat championship team wasn't very good, and obviously this Boston squad is great. Bird completely schooled them every game and Heat's bench wasn't really a factor, Wade would of had to score like he did last game every day and he didn't.

1985-1986 CELTICS ADVANCE





1ST ROUND 1994-1995 MAGIC VS 1977-1978 BULLETS























Game 1: Orlando 119 @ Washington 124
Shaq (ORL): 39/15
Unseld (WAS): 16/13/8
Dandrige (WAS): 24/10/7

Game 2: Washington 103 @ Orlando 125
Shaq (ORL): 42/15
Penny (ORL): 22/4/9
Hayes (WAS): 21/14
Unseld (WAS): 11/12/4

Game 3: Orlando 125 @ Washington 114
Shaq (ORL): 37/20/6 blocks
Anderson (ORL): 19/4/7
Henderson (WAS): 20/3/8
Kupchak (WAS): 13/5

Game 4: Washington 122* @ Orlando 133
Penny (ORL): 19/7/12
Shaq (ORL): 37/10/5 blocks
Horace (ORL): 8/20
Anderson (ORL): 25/14/6
Hayes (WAS): 21/17
*Washington had 7 players in double digits but couldn't win

This was a very good series as well, Shaq was a BEAST the whole time as you can see. Orlando really wanted to close it off the last game so I guess all of them decided to put up monster stats.

1994-1995 MAGIC ADVANCE

[SOUL]

1ST ROUND 1966-1967 PHILLY VS 1957-1958 ATLANTA







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PF - Luke Jackson (couldn't find pic)


Game 1: Atlanta 111 @ Philly 137
Wilt (PHI): 29/34/12/8 blocks
Pettit (ATL): 27/6

Game 2: Philly 142 @ Atlanta 103
Wilt (PHI): 22/25/8
Walker (PHI): 35/16
Pettit (ATL): 13/17/5

Game 3: Atlanta 109 @ Philly 129
Wilt (PHI): 20/17/9/9 blocks/4 steals
Pettit (ATL): 22/16

Wow. Wilt is ridiculous lol, they just wiped the floor with this team.

1966-1967 PHILLY ADVANCES



1ST ROUND 1970-1971 BUCKS VS 2006-2007 BOBCATS





















Game 1: Bobcats 118 @ Bucks 130
Wallace (CHA): 30/10
Jabbar (MIL): 30/10/7/5 steals
McGlocklin (MIL): 29/4/9

Game 2: Bucks 131 @ Bobcats 93
Jabbar (MIL): 34/18
Robertson (MIL): 21/7/11
Felton (CHA): 12/9/8

Game 3: Bobcats 102 @ Bucks 116
Wallace (CHA): 19/16
Felton (CHA): 26/4/6
Jabbar (MIL): 39/14
Robertson (MIL): 6/6/17

Another predictable series, Jabbar was just too much to handle and even though the Bobcats put up a fight it was over before it even started. Next games: The West!

1970-1971 BUCKS WIN

[SOUL]

1ST ROUND 1998-1999 SPURS VS 2003-2004 GRIZZLIES



















Game 1: Memphis 85@ San Antonio 84
Gasol (MEM): 19/11/6
Duncan (SAS): 22/14/5 blocks

Game 2: San Antonio 111 @ Memphis 85
Duncan (SAS): 28/9/6 blocks
Robinson (SAS): 15/15
J. Will (MEM): 12/2/8

Game 3: Memphis 95 @ San Antonio 108
Duncan (SAS): 27/13
Robinson (SAS): 17/15
Posey (MEM): 24/8

Game 4: San Antonio 104 @ Memphis 85
Duncan (SAS): 23/18
Avery (SAS): 14/3/10
Elie (SAS): 17/4

After the close loss first game, Spurs rebounded easily and Duncan was very effective the whole series. Pau really didn't show up and when he doesn't the team isn't going to win plain and simple.

1998-1999 SPURS ADVANCE



1993-1994 ROCKETS VS 2005-2006 MAVERICKS


















Game 1: Mavericks 94 @ Rockets 110
Dirk (DAL): 33/7/8
Thorpe (HOU): 15/14/6
Hakeem (HOU): 25/13

Game 2: Rockets 99 @ Mavericks 109
Horry (HOU): 19/8
Dirk (DAL): 35/15

Game 3: Mavericks 104 @ Rockets 118
Howard (DAL): 20/5
Hakeem (HOU): 34/7/4

Game 4: Rockets 122 @ Mavericks 111
Hakeem (HOU): 36/7/5
Dirk (DAL): 32/8
Maxwell (HOU): 15/6/8

Thought Mavericks would push this to the last game but the Rockets were too much for them.. Dirk and Co. couldn't last.

1993-1994 ROCKETS ADVANCE