Who is this Ramon Sessions kid?

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Post#121 » by europa » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:55 pm

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I can't see why they'd get rid of Mo, but even if they do someone's gotta replace him. The bucks might luck out and get Rose in the draft, but otherwise I think Mo stays put.


There are major questions as to whether Mo Williams can be an effective starting PG in the NBA. Plenty of people around the league still think he might be best as a sixth man or even as a SG (though I think his lack of size there would be a major issue). He's a poor defender and his primary focus offensively is to look for his own shot. He often does a poor job of running the offense with everything becoming stagnant as he freezes out teammates while trying to get his own offense going. Based on the comments from new GM John Hammond, Mo's game does not appear to fit with the type of PG play he wants. And Hammond has said it's his belief your team's success begins with the PG position. That Hammond has not uttered a single word of praise with regard to Mo so far (he has praised Bogut and Yi as well as Redd, for example) speaks volumes in my opinion about Mo's future with the team.
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Post#122 » by NetsForce » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:03 pm

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so if a player racked up 60 points (scoring equivalent to 24 assists imo) even at the tail end of the season, you wouldn't be impressed? it takes a helluva game to get 24 assists.

it's impressive regardless of the negative spin you take. it doesn't make him a hall of famer, it doesn't make him an all-star. it does however make it one helluva game. accept it.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 40MEM.html

OH MAN LORENZEN WRIGHT IS GOING TO BE A STAR!

No one is trying to take away Sessions' impressive game, even if his numbers did occur against a bad opponent in a game in which NO defense was played but let's keep it real g' even Gerald Green had stretches of games where he looked like a real NBA player.
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Post#123 » by Serge28 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:08 pm

Points and rebounds is not the same as assists. You really need to understand this. Can you give me example of another "scrub" who's had a 24 assist game in his 16th NBA game and didn't turn out to be a player? How about a "scrub" averaging 13 assists per game in his first 6 NBA starts? Didn't think so.
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Post#124 » by CBS7 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:15 pm

Well what kind of player are you expecting him to be in the future?

What about stat wise?
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Post#125 » by Serge28 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:23 pm

CBS7 wrote:Well what kind of player are you expecting him to be in the future?


A pass-first point guard who certainly won't have any trouble staying in the league.

What about stat wise?


I honestly have no idea. Depends on his playing time, teammates, coaching, a lot of factors.


Look, I'm not anointing him to be the next Chris Paul or anything, but I'm also sick of posters like NetsForce coming on here and straight up hating on the guy for no good reason.
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Post#126 » by LakerFanMan » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:30 pm

^^^ Seriously dude, all people, like NetsForce, are trying to say is that you can't take a few really good games and say the guy is going to be a great pg. If you look at his numbers it's really only the last 3 games or so. Before that they're about average. Random scrubs come out of no where and have stretches like this all the time. Not saying Sessions is a scrub, but that's the point, you just don't know.
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Post#127 » by Serge28 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:45 pm

CBS7, see, it's the people who post stuff like this, clearly without REALLY reading what they're replying to, that annoy me.
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Post#128 » by CBS7 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:54 pm

LakerFanMan wrote:^^^ Seriously dude, all people, like NetsForce, are trying to say is that you can't take a few really good games and say the guy is going to be a great pg. If you look at his numbers it's really only the last 3 games or so. Before that they're about average. Random scrubs come out of no where and have stretches like this all the time. Not saying Sessions is a scrub, but that's the point, you just don't know.


NetsForce is saying that he's a scrub and will never be anything, and might not be in the league next year. Not just that he won't be a great PG.
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Post#129 » by LakerFanMan » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:07 pm

Yea I know, I was trying to soften the blow a little bit. Point is though, you really can't make a judgement call either way yet. He's played in what, 16 games this season? He hasn't even had significant minutes in most of them. I saw him play twice in the last week, the only two times I watched him, he looked pretty good. It's just not enough to go about trading mo or anything yet though like I saw a couple of people say. I still think Mo williams can be a really good PG in this league.
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Post#130 » by IrishRainbow » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:22 pm

Mo was gone regardless of Sessions

We are drawing a little excitement from Memo, because there has been so little to be excited about this season. His offensive numbers have been great (save for his FG%). Regardless of that, if you would read some of the Bucks board fodder regarding Memo, we are tempering our enthusiasium because we do know the parameters of which he is getting these numbers. But I don't know of many recently that have taken advantage of an opportunity quite like this kid has. So, most of us are eager to congrats the kid, but are still under the, "Small sample size, wait and see" premise.
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Post#131 » by Buck You » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:37 pm

CBS7 wrote:Well what kind of player are you expecting him to be in the future?

What about stat wise?

A good point guard that can possibly start somewhere.

I think he'll average something around 12 points 8 assists and 2.5 rebounds a game. Nothing too spectacular but not horrible either.
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Post#132 » by theTHIEF » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:46 pm

the continued conversation is lol...
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Post#133 » by NetsForce » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:16 pm

Sorry if I seem overly harsh on Sessions, it's just when you've been watching the NBA for a while you've seen these kind of meaningless performances before.

I also think it's important to note that while the Sessions advocates keep bringing up his stats over the last 6 games as a starter, over those 6 games the Bucks are 0-6 and have lost by an average of 12.3 ppg...

(On a side note does anyone remember how sick nasty Mike James was when he was on the Raptors?)
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Post#134 » by europa » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:20 pm

NetsForce wrote:I also think it's important to note that while the Sessions advocates keep bringing up his stats over the last 6 games as a starter, over those 6 games the Bucks are 0-6 and have lost by an average of 12.3 ppg...



It's also important to note that the Bucks are absolutely terrible and have little talent with which to compete. The only above-average players finishing out the season are Bogut and Redd. Everyone else is below average and many of them are considerably below average. This is an awful team which is why many of us Bucks fans are excited about what Sessions is doing. No one is saying he's going to be an All Star or even a sure-fire starter, but after back-to-back putrid seasons it's nice to have something to look forward to with regard to the team's personnel. Sessions' late-season play and Bogut's significant improvements since the start of the new year are the only thing this team has to show for this pathetic season.
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Post#135 » by 7r5ur » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:45 pm

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5 of the games we lost in, he played less than 10 minutes.

And we were 4-11 in the 15 games before he joined the team. We suck with or without him.


Yes, I am merely pointing out that all the big numbers he's putting up aren't helping his team win games.
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Post#136 » by mbucks22 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:04 pm

What's with the Nets fans hating on the kid? Jealous they had to give up Kidd for a not so good Harris while the Bucks got this future star from the draft? Sure seems that way.

He's playing terrific. Don't know how you can hate on the numbers he has put up. Doesn't matter what the competition is, HE'S PUTTING THESE NUMBERS UP!

So sick of these people that never actually watch what they are arguing against, yet somehow they know more than the people that have watched Sessions. The kid was on the Lakers or the Celtics you'd be giving him a BJ left and right. But since it's the Bucks...he's just a scrub. Get real haters.
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Post#137 » by mbucks22 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:08 pm

AWalkerREMIX wrote:I'll be interested to see how he does when anyone actually cares. While Roman Sessions has been declared a RealGM up-and-coming all-star, the Celtics didn't play any of their big 3, the entire Miami Heat team is made up of D-leaguers, the Knicks are suddenly looking competitive, and the Bulls just scored over 150 points. This doesn't seem like a time which grants much merit.


Huh? The Heat were made up of D-leaguers WAY before Ramon started. Don't reach too far now to hate on him.

Anyone with "AWalker" in their name shouldn't hate on another player.
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Post#138 » by NetsForce » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:18 pm

mbucks22 wrote:What's with the Nets fans hating on the kid? Jealous they had to give up Kidd for a not so good Harris while the Bucks got this future star from the draft? Sure seems that way.

He's playing terrific. Don't know how you can hate on the numbers he has put up. Doesn't matter what the competition is, HE'S PUTTING THESE NUMBERS UP!


1st bold + 2nd bold --> It's statements like that I was hoping I'd make people realize are completley stupid at this point.

3rd bold -->

16.7 ppg
8 rpg
7 apg
2.3 spg

Pretty sick stats right? Who wouldn't want a player who averaged those stats on a bad team, at the end of the season, when the rest of the league is just kicking back and relaxing... Sure those stats are only from a 6 game span when this rookie player was moved into the starting lineup, but he's definitely a "future star"! Right?!

Wrong.

You see my friend, those stats are the stats Mardy Collins put up during a 6-game span near the end of the 2006-2007 NBA season where as a rookie Collins was moved into the starting lineup on a horrendous New York Knicks team.
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Post#139 » by drew881 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:18 pm

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so if a player racked up 60 points (scoring equivalent to 24 assists imo) even at the tail end of the season, you wouldn't be impressed? it takes a helluva game to get 24 assists.

it's impressive regardless of the negative spin you take. it doesn't make him a hall of famer, it doesn't make him an all-star. it does however make it one helluva game. accept it.


I think 24 assists is harder than scoring 50-60. In the last couple years, we've seen Charlie Villanueva put up 48 and Linus Kleiza put up 47.
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Post#140 » by AWalkerREMIX » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:38 pm

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Huh? The Heat were made up of D-leaguers WAY before Ramon started. Don't reach too far now to hate on him.

Anyone with "AWalker" in their name shouldn't hate on another player.
And the Celtics sat out their Big 3 WAY before Ramon started. Who cares? You probably put football avatars on a basketball site WAY before he started, too. What does that matter? The point still stands.

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