Bgil wrote:And, yes, I just looked at wikipedia and found out about logical fallacies.
You know the green font is supposed to be saved for sarcasm, right?
Second best joke you've ever had, after seriously using John Salley saying Kobe is better than Jordan!
Of course most people know that there were a handful of swings you could've plugged into that team and still won rings.
You're stating a hypothetical as if it was factual knowledge.
Virtually everything is 'hypothetical' if you wanna look at it that. It's only hypothetical that Kobe could have 50 wins without Shaq, Gasol or Bynum playing well, after all.
But he's never seperated himself as other historical "best of the era"s have.
Clearly he has for their to be such a consensus of his status as "best of the era".
If so, he's the worst "best player of his era" of all-time. Something doesn't jive there. If he was the concensus "best of his era" he'd have at least finished second in MVP voting somewhere in there. Oh wait, I forgot there's a bias against him!Players including Dirk, T-Mac and Lebron say so, coaching polls say so...
They also have said Duncan and Garnett in the last five years, too. Your point? Mine is that they change their response based upon what happened in the last week more than not.
He's the only perimeter player to be on both the ALL NBA first team and ALL D first team in years not to mention leading the league in scoring at the same time....
And 'only perimeter...' makes him "best player" how? Thanks for playing.
You're just turning a blind eye to that separation (hence that weak offense vs defense argument) because he hasn't taken aim at the box score as his ultimate goal. Your box score separation argument does not hold water.
The box score consists of all the most important facets of a basketball game. Kobe fans continuing to downplay all concrete measures of basketball play and hype all the vague, amorphous things you can do on a basketball court is hilarious. Like setting a pick is somehow better than scoring more on better shooting or something. Like slapping your teammates ass after a good shot is better than not turning the ball over.
The two great myths of Kobe:
#1 Of course stats don't tell the whole story (which is true) but they don't even tell the most important parts of the story (:rofl:). (Only excuse for not always being the most productive player [because we all know he's the best right?])
#2 The Media hates Kobe. (Only excuse for not having the hardware even though he's clearly the best
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I'm sorry guys. I know it's painful when you thought in 2002 your guy was gonna surpass Jordan and now he can't get seperation from Dirk, can't get a Finals MVP like Wade, can't get MVPs from Nash, and is constantly being shown up by LeBron, but it is what it is. Sometimes he's better than all of them. None of them have all been better than him at the same time. He's among the best players in the NBA today. BUt to continue to overhype the guy into something that he's not only does him a disservice because you're constantly inviting objective people to come in and "bash" him (which is actually just stating reality).
And eatyourchildren, when experts come into a courtroom it's a little different. They still have to prove their argument because, unless the other side distinctly recognizes them, the other side can call their own expert witness to refute their argument. Which is why medical examiners will be recognized (if someone died from drowning they died from drowning) but many times pyschologists will not be and other psychologists will be brought in.
The fact remains I've yet to see any solid argument about why Kobe has been hands down the best player for the last 4 or 5 years and at this point I'm pretty sure I never will. Just a chorus of Kobephiles shouting down anyone who dares to go against the hype machine of a swing the scores alot with litanies of "But Phil Said!" and "Tex Winter Knows!" and absolutely no concrete argumentation.
Just keeping drinking that Kool-Aid.
