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Game Thread: GAME 3: Washington vs. Cleveland 4/24/08

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Do we take game 3?

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No
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Post#421 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:37 pm

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You seem determined to make Gil into something
he's not....a Chris Paul type PG. I just accept
Gil for what he is. But that's not to say that he
can't improve in some areas.

I think the focus should be on getting the
type of PG you covet...as a backup.


And you seem determined to under estimate that he can grow and mature into the player this TEAM needs and that in doing so he would be a better all around player and would win more games deeper into the playoffs.

If it takes and injured GA to play the kind of game we need from him, then I'll take it. Because he was playing PG last night and his passes were amazingly good. Him starting and playing that roll helped set the table.
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Post#422 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:42 pm

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You and I need to convince Hands11 of this. :)


LOL... You going to aline yourself with DCZards LOL


It's ok. I'm sure you will be the first one posting when GA plays the game I'm talking about saying how awesome it was and how we need more of that from him. LOL
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Post#423 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:46 pm

pineappleheadindc wrote:The best thing that Cleveland can do for us is put Lebron at point. He'll drive, we'll shade or double and he'll kick the ball out.

Kick the ball out to who? I'd rather take my chances against Cleveland with anyone named Lebron beating me than having the ball in their best player's hands.

When Lebron had the ball at the top of the last night, the Wiz did a decent job of either doubling hard or just shading the strong side big toward the middle to threaten to help if Lebron drove. Then, they did a decent job of rotating out on the shooters.


One things I noticed was that they doubled, but then they released to cover their own man. I heard a commentator saying something about how they were not doing this in game 2. They were staying with the double to long which lead to open shots.

They released a lot quicker in game three and jumped the 2nd and 3rd lanes instead. That was a big reason the D looked so good and we go so many turnovers.
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Post#424 » by WizStorm » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:48 pm

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GA averaged 21 shots a game last year and the year before.

He averaged that.

You don't average 21 with out taking 25 or more then a few occasions.

2005/06 playoffs in 6 games he averaged 23 shots per game.

Now I didn't actually check his stats posting because I was just making a general comment but it looks like I was actually accurate anyway.

Before you comment on someones post saying they are wrong I suggest you lift a finger, open a new web page, and do a little research.
I don't give a rats ass about how many shots he puts up ... I care about the efficiency in which he scores withi those shots. Gil just isn't that volume shooter that scores with low efficiency. When the Wizards were rolling last year, Gil was setting historical marks in terms of just how efficient he was scoring per those shot attempts (and not just coincidentally, just how efficient the team was as a whole with Gil leading the show).

My friendly suggestion for you is that instead of regurgitating shot stats, that you can look a little deeper at what those stats actually mean.
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Post#425 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:57 pm

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I don't give a rats ass about how many shots he puts up ... I care about the efficiency in which he scores withi those shots. Gil just isn't that volume shooter that scores with low efficiency. When the Wizards were rolling last year, Gil was setting historical marks in terms of just how efficient he was scoring per those shot attempts (and not just coincidentally, just how efficient the team was as a whole with Gil leading the show).

My friendly suggestion for you is that instead of regurgitating shot stats, that you can look a little deeper at what those stats actually mean.


It's not what this team needs from him right now. That is what I posted.

Sorry if the facts I posted didn't jive with your view of the world but they were accurate to my point.

We just need a PG who can hit a few outside shots and who can make some sweet passes. GA did that last game to start the game and it was just what we needed from him. He helped get other player going that helped us win. And win big we did. +36
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Post#426 » by WizStorm » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:13 pm

hands11 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



It's not what this team needs from him right now. That is what I posted.

Sorry if the facts I posted didn't jive with your view of the world but they were accurate to my point.

We just need a PG who can hit a few outside shots and who can make some sweet passes. GA did that last game to start the game and it was just what we needed from him. He helped get other player going that helped us win. And win big we did. +36
My bad ... I'm sorry I didn't pick up on your Gil can be Chris Paul angle yet again. I'm more of a realist and and am looking to be successful with this current Wizards team and the system they currently implement.
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Post#427 » by Wizardspride » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:14 pm

hands11 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


It's ok. I'm sure you will be the first one posting when GA plays the game I'm talking about saying how awesome it was and how we need more of that from him. LOL

Just so you know..I've already talked about how awesome Gil
is when he's playing the type of game you like. But by the
same token, I also think he's pretty awesome when he's
playing his normal game as well. :)
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Post#428 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:16 pm

hands11 wrote:-


It's ok. I'm sure you will be the first one posting when GA plays the game I'm talking about saying how awesome it was and how we need more of that from him. LOL


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Post#429 » by fishercob » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:15 pm

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Sorry if the facts I posted didn't jive with your view of the world but they were accurate to my point.



It's jibe. Common mistake. But fear not, I'm here to help.


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Post#430 » by ZonkertheBrainless » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:23 pm

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It's jibe. Common mistake. But fear not, I'm here to help.


"Oh stewardess, I speak jive." (and sadly half the board won't get this most fantastic of references).


Bonus points if you can quote the conversation they have later. I remember it's hilarious but I don't remember what exactly they say...
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Post#431 » by fishercob » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:24 pm

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hands, we've both been saying that having BH and AB together would work nicely.

Andray will commit much fewer fouls when he's not defending C but has Haywood in with him. Blatche with Wood in is able to block shots from the weakside. He gets rebounds easier at PF.

Most importantly, when they both play together THEY SCORE INSIDE and put pressure on the other teams bigs to foul them! No way do they get into trouble when they're not just on the receiving end of opponents aggression, but rather when they're making opponents adjust to them.

I hope EJ sees the light of what hands, myself, and others have been saying: BH and AB work nicely together when the Cavs have Ilgauskas and Varejao in together.

When Cleveland is big, so should Washington be, for the most part.


CCJ, Cleveland can go big because they have Varajeo and Smith behind Z and Wallace. Behind Haywood we have Blatche -- and that's it.

I'm all for playing them together when they've escaped the early part of the game without foul trouble, but until they've done so, it's just too risky.

I don't buy your argument about Blatche fouling less at PF -- he fouled like crazy as a rook and played mostly PF. Cleveland's still going to use his man to set ball screens, and that often gets him in to trouble.

We really miss Etan -- his 6 fouls and ability to play backup C. With him back next year, our front court is going to give teams problems, especially in a physical playoff series.
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Post#432 » by Wizards2Lottery » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:51 pm

I don't see how we can have Etan mix into this team though. How many teams use a five man big rotation?

Behind Antawn and Haywood, we have Blatche and Songaila. The consider that we might have to start giving Pech some more time and McGuire might work into Eddies small lineups as the shot blocker and rebounder.
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Post#433 » by fishercob » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:01 pm

In this series, Etan would take Songaila's minutes, with Blatche playing much more PF.

In general, the hope is that Blatche can make Darius expendable.

BTW, I love Brooks Laich too. Softens the sting of Peter Bondra not retiring a Cap.
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