Hire Avery, Dump Nellie

[turk3d]

Avery Johnson has been canned by Cuban (didn't I say so?). Let's bring him over. Forget Smart and Nellie. I guarantee we'd make the playoffs next year.

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Mark Cuban and Johnson engaged in an emotional argument after a March 18 home loss to the Lakers and sources indicated that Cuban actually considered firing Johnson before the playoffs.

He pissed off Cuban and unless he was able to make a run, he was doomed as far as the Mavs were concerned. If only there was a way.

[GswStorm3]

I'm all for bringing in Avery Johnson. Johnson is most likely better then anything we can hire next year if we bring back Nellie for one last year.

[Sid the Squid]

I'd be too nervous with Avery...This is the same guy who talked Cuban into letting Nash go and signing Erika Dumpier to a 70 million contract.


Pass.

[turk3d]

I'd be too nervous with Avery...This is the same guy who talked Cuban into letting Nash go and signing Erika Dumpier to a 70 million contract.


Pass.

That was Nellie who traded for Damp and it was Cuban (under Nellie) who traded Nash as well. Avery had nothing to do with trading Nash or picking up Damp.

[Sid the Squid]

Turk you didnt know? Avery spent Damp's last year with the warriors as his teammate..He's the one who was always in the goofs ear..Avery and Damp went to Dallas together..Nellie and Cuban were already in a feud..Nellie had no say on the Damp signing..Give me a break..You know that..Nellie hates Damp..He's even said that he couldnt believe they gave that stiff all that cash..You really didnt know all this?

[FNQ]

I'm nervous for the same reason... however, that could also be attributed to Nellie leaving the cupboards bare and Dallas being desperate.

I'm not ready to pile that all on to Avery... yet... I'd also not like to be the team that finds out if it was a rookie desperation move or one he thought would actually work out.

But any step away from gimmicks is a good one... Cohan wont go for it though. I'm resigned to the fact that we'll get at least half a season of gimmickball

[Sleepy51]

You got this one wrong turk. Nellie was never ok with Nash being moved out of Dallas. It was fuel to the fire between him and Cuban. \

You must have missed a meeting (or a season or two.)

[MightyReds2020]

no no no. i don't want this offense to be coach by some control-freak. look how avery has turned JKidd into just a role player.

[FNQ]

no no no. i don't want this offense to be coach by some control-freak. look how avery has turned JKidd into just a role player.

They made him a focal point of the offense... I was watching the playoffs and wondering why every single play (successful, anyways) had to be started by Kidd...

The Suns/Mavs are an absolute mess right now... a glowing testament to all teams who want to perfect smallball... it's a fluky type of game that isn't consistent at all... the only positive is the $$$$... save money on players, people want to see this "exciting" brand of basketball... The Suns/Mavs/Warriors and any other team that just ignores their bigs should be sponsored by And1.... then I'd be perfectly fine drafting that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) haircut having Brandon Jennings.

[turk3d]

You got this one wrong turk. Nellie was never ok with Nash being moved out of Dallas. It was fuel to the fire between him and Cuban. \

You must have missed a meeting (or a season or two.)

Never said that Nellie was OK with it. I just said that it was a Cuban decision and Nellie was the head coach, not Avery. How can anyone say that Avery was responsible for Damp going to Dallas when he was just an assistant? Whether or not Nellie was responsible, I cannot see how these moves can be attributed to Avery. I guess you guys can pin it on him if you want. Regardless, no deals get consummated without Cuban having the final say (see most recently the Kidd deal).

[Sleepy51]

I don't pin it on Avery either. But blaming Nellie for decisions that drove a wedge between him and Cuban jsut makes it look like you are randomly flinging poo at Nellie.

Cuban is the only guy with veto power in Dallas. Donnie is a glorified scout, Avery was supposed to make it work, but the guy who pulled the trigger on all the various deals is definitely Cubes. He should fire himself already.

[GSWbandwagon]

They made him a focal point of the offense... I was watching the playoffs and wondering why every single play (successful, anyways) had to be started by Kidd...

The Suns/Mavs are an absolute mess right now... a glowing testament to all teams who want to perfect smallball... it's a fluky type of game that isn't consistent at all... the only positive is the $$$$... save money on players, people want to see this "exciting" brand of basketball... The Suns/Mavs/Warriors and any other team that just ignores their bigs should be sponsored by And1.... then I'd be perfectly fine drafting that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) haircut having Brandon Jennings.

the suns imploded when they went away from smallball. they have the biggest front line in the league now (except maybe the obese brothers in new york).

the mavs spend more money than all but 1 or 2 other teams. i'm not sure how they're an example of saving money on players. the biggest mistake theyve made in recent years was going bigger with dump instead of nash.

if the suns spent like the mavs, they'd have several rings.

also, the spurs have been moving toward smallball the last few years.

[Sid the Squid]

Well if you don't want to add 1+1 that's OK by me..Nellie wanted Damp

The mavs need Keith Dumb to play run run run with Kidd and Dirk

[Sleepy51]

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the suns imploded when they went away from smallball. they have the biggest front line in the league now (except maybe the obese brothers in new york).

I don't care how many times Diaw scores on Finley in the post. You do not take the ball out of Steve Nash's hands for an entire series. That was abysmal coaching. D'Antonie gets the goat horns from me.

[turk3d]

Well if you don't want to add 1+1 that's OK by me..Nellie wanted Damp

The mavs need Keith Dumb to play run run run with Kidd and Dirk

Avery was responsible for bringing Damp to the Mavs

When do assistant coaches have the responsibility for making personnel decisions?

Avery (1) + Damp (1) coming to Dallas = coincidence (2)

[GSWhoopfan]

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They made him a focal point of the offense... I was watching the playoffs and wondering why every single play (successful, anyways) had to be started by Kidd...

The Suns/Mavs are an absolute mess right now... a glowing testament to all teams who want to perfect smallball... it's a fluky type of game that isn't consistent at all... the only positive is the $$$$... save money on players, people want to see this "exciting" brand of basketball... The Suns/Mavs/Warriors and any other team that just ignores their bigs should be sponsored by And1.... then I'd be perfectly fine drafting that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) haircut having Brandon Jennings.

damn...Kidd didnt step up. Watch, see it, believe it. Kidd took a back seat. I really thought that the Mavs did themselves right with the deal at first, but losing Harris was terrible. If Kidd wanted to win, he could have played like he use to...you know a nice triple double ala Chris Paul style. Kidd is slow and is turning into a "WAS GOOD" player similar to Shaq. Kidd has been on the decline while making SUPERSTAR bread (shy of 20M to be exact). Kidd makes a lot of point guards look like bargains.

Marion was making bread with the Suns. So i dont know how they were saving money on players.

We ignored our bigs? Yeah, Nellie should write an apology letter to Wright, Biedrins, and Croshere.

Dude we had 3 bigs. Everyone makes it seem like we had 10 bigs on the bench but we decided to put it Bookie or Watson.

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They made him a focal point of the offense... I was watching the playoffs and wondering why every single play (successful, anyways) had to be started by Kidd...

The Suns/Mavs are an absolute mess right now... a glowing testament to all teams who want to perfect smallball... it's a fluky type of game that isn't consistent at all... the only positive is the $$$$... save money on players, people want to see this "exciting" brand of basketball... The Suns/Mavs/Warriors and any other team that just ignores their bigs should be sponsored by And1.... then I'd be perfectly fine drafting that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) haircut having Brandon Jennings.

I gotta partly agree except you overshot the mark. Smallball ain't squat,it's the tendency for smaller to = quicker-faster that makes it work----to a degree. The trouble is Nellie's blind devotion to what he's come to see as a personal trademark.

You win a war with a balance of forces. Just a good artillery unit is not enough. Nellie has left too many weapons in the closet. Being good at uptempo is a BIG plus,but if you trade off by being too soft or having no depth--you are screwed.

B Jennings haircut is pretty dreadful.....but that's the norm these days. we can't pluck him out of HS this draft anyhow. He WILL be a damn good PG. He has rare court vision with real nice handles and very good quicks.

I have not quite seen enough of B Jennings or D Rose to say "book it" but I will say I think Jennings will be the better PG eventually.

Kidd? He's a player with a great understanding of how to play PG,but just a minimal time with Dallas. He's also in the twilight of a great carreer. NEXT year-I'd expect Kidd to be more value to the Mavs-but beyond that age may slow him down.

[GSW2K4]

Avery is a structure coach and great for taking a solid team to the next level.

What he showed last year in the playoffs against us and in the Finals loss against the heat is he is just not yet a very flexible coach. Last year was disappointing for them obviously, but it was also a bad matchup on multiple levels. So in the last two years, he went up against two of the most seasoned coaches in the league and got burned. He can implement a system but doesn't maintain it well.

This year, the team just collapsed under the disappointment of last season and a trade that was ill-conceived.

To judge him as a bad coach is unfair -- he just needs seasoning.

That said, the Warriors don't have the personnel for a structure coach. One thing that can be said about Nellie, is that he's found a way to get this roster in the playoff hunt with an open style that relies on faith in players. No way Avery could do that and it would just blow up in his face.

I wish Avery luck, but this is just not the team for him.

[KR4]

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They made him a focal point of the offense... I was watching the playoffs and wondering why every single play (successful, anyways) had to be started by Kidd...

The Suns/Mavs are an absolute mess right now... a glowing testament to all teams who want to perfect smallball... it's a fluky type of game that isn't consistent at all... the only positive is the $$$$... save money on players, people want to see this "exciting" brand of basketball... The Suns/Mavs/Warriors and any other team that just ignores their bigs should be sponsored by And1.... then I'd be perfectly fine drafting that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) haircut having Brandon Jennings.

I don't even know how you're even a Forum Mod.

[old rem]

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as for bigs.....we DID have POB and Kosta....7-0 and 7-2 and we failed to merely SEE what they might be able to do. Lasme had a VERY rare 4 games with a triple double (10+ blocks) a year ago at U Mass...we spent a pick-gave him a whole minute to develop--then QUIT like Weenies who don't have the vision or horse sense to make the cut in a competitive West
We already mucked about with Ike and swapped him as trade fill.

The W's COULD have drafted Jason Smith. Chose Belli instead then got nothing from him. We COULD have got and developed any of a dozen bigs that other teams grabbed as rd 2 or FA in just the last 2 years. We didn't.

We have a brain trust of 2 small F's who never were Athletic or power types. They do seem to appreciate speed-and that's good,but are stuck in a rut when it comes to any kind of "big" or power strategy.

I had a slim hope we might draft Hansborough-that Nellie would appreciate his hustle-toughness-fundamentals and efficiency. Now he's out of this draft and #14 seems to boil down to a green project or taking a guy who's projected as a later pick.

We have SOME trade options,but I frankly fear that we have limited ptions beyond lateral moves or trading off current progress for a hopeful plus a few years later. i'd mor fear some rather desperate move to make a litle short term gai at the expense of a longer range strategy,and even more dubious would be a strategy based mostly on profit/payroll issues.