Bryan Colangelo..

toucansma · Post #21 » by **toucansma** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:34 pm

He fleeced the Knicks pretty good, so he can't be that bad. I think he is a solid GM, who helped bring the European flavor to the game (basically brought back the NBA to what is used to be). He has made questionable decisions, but every GM has.

Anticon · Post #22 » by **Anticon** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:43 pm

He made the decisions that nobody else would make. In many ways, he reformed the NBA.

Back when he signed Nash, everyone said that Nash was overpaid and were still excited about Marbury and Steve Francis. He made a much criticized signing that helped to re-define the importance of the pass first point guard and set the stage for guys like Paul and Williams.

And of course, he's made mistakes. Bargnani may end up being a big one; trading Jason Kidd for Marbury was another. Nonetheless, this is a guy that has picked up diamonds in the rough for years - Diaw, Nash, Bell, Moon, Joe Johnson - and deserves credit for that.

He's clearly not perfect, and he may have overextended himself in his vision for the Raptors, but aside from Buford and Dumars he's as good a GM as you'll find.

Post #23 » by **Flash3** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:47 pm

To this date, Bargnani has NOT lived up to his #1 selection. Not at all....

Anticon · Post #24 » by **Anticon** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:50 pm

Wow, Flash3, that's a tremendous insight...

Sorry for the sarcasm, but it's not like everyone doesn't know that.

toucansma · Post #25 » by **toucansma** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:55 pm

Last time I checked Bargnani is only 22 years old... It took Dirk awhile to become a good player, if I recall. Everyone wanted him off the Mavericks...

Post #26 » by **Flash3** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:56 pm

uhh, i was just carrying on with the bargnani convo.

theTHIEF · Post #27 » by **theTHIEF** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:03 pm

Dirk wasn't drafted #1 overall...

Post #28 » by **Flash3** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:06 pm

toucansma wrote:Last time I checked Bargnani is only 22 years old... It took Dirk awhile to become a good player, if I recall. Everyone wanted him off the Mavericks...

what do dirk and bargnani have in common? other than them being int'l products, who play a similar style (if even that), they have not much in common if u ask me

toucansma · Post #29 » by **toucansma** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:11 pm

They are both international players that had high expectations. They both took/and are taking awhile to adapt to the NBA. Dirk was still a 9th overall pick, so expectations were high. I just meant people are bagging on him already, give him a break.

Post #30 » by **Flash3** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:14 pm

Same can be said about Tskitisvilli (5th pick) for Denver some years back, he's no longer in the league, IIRC.

Bargnani can follow that track, too.

theTHIEF · Post #31 » by **theTHIEF** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:14 pm

expectations were higher for Robert Traylor

toucansma · Post #32 » by **toucansma** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:25 pm

Agreed, but they both were given quite a few years before they were given up on. Just look at Darko... He has gotten plenty of chances.

Ballings7 · Post #33 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:19 pm

He's done a good job for sure, but to a certain extent...

From with the Suns and Raptors, I think he's too biased towards up-tempo, perimeter-oriented offense.

I mean, is he going to get Bosh a significant defensive helper at center? Their centers aren't at that level at all. At most they're 3rd level role-playing big men. 2nd level for Garbajosa because of his overall game, but he's not enough in the defensive aspect. Bargnani is like a poor-ordinary defender.

The Raptors have to get better defensively up front, and an all-star-caliber wing creator. Parker will be a nice complement and defensive helper next to whoever that would be.

Relying on ball movement and perimeter offense (pretty good deal of jumpshooting) to play well, will keep you limited in how well you can do.

If they view Bosh/Bargnani as their future front-line - eek! Skilled offense, but average at best defense. Not a good kind of situation for future progress and success in the NBA. In the Euroleague, maybe.

Basileus777 wrote:His obsession with Euros has cost the Raptors. He's built a team that can't succeed in NBA playoff basketball. He's still a good gm, but he's not a genius. Obviously drafting Bargs was a huge mistake.

Good post.

Chandler55 · Post #34 » by **Chandler55** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:12 pm

look at the team the suns couldve had if phx owner wasnt so cheap

nash/jj/deng/marion/amare
barbosa/qrich/etc.

i think colangelo did alright

MoPeteRules · Post #35 » by **MoPeteRules** » Thu May 1, 2008 7:08 am

Chandler55 wrote:look at the team the suns couldve had if phx owner wasnt so cheap

nash/jj/deng/marion/amare
barbosa/qrich/etc.

i think colangelo did alright

I think if Mark Cuban owned the Suns, they'd have a ring or two by now..