Our starting five is probably intact.

td00 · Post #1 » by **td00** » Fri May 9, 2008 9:06 pm

My question is: Does anyone see any vets willing to come in here and play behind Horford, Smoove and Marvin?

I think JJ and Bibby are solid in their starting slots (you aren't putting guys who average $14M on the bench).

We will probably have to move 2 to get one and possibly get a draft pick back from someone.

I truly don't expect a busy offseason for any new GM coming in here. I just hope we don't start off slow next year and then we are dealing with the Woody question yet again after extending him 3 or 4 years. We have a chance to break clean now, but it won't happen.

CWell · Post #2 » by **CWell** » Fri May 9, 2008 9:55 pm

u don't put 14 mill guys on the bench but u do TRADE THEIR SORRY BUTT.We're only set at 3 starting spots if we resign Smoove.SG,PF and C is set.Acie needs to start at PG and we need to trade Marvin and find a new SF.

JoshB914 · Post #3 » by **JoshB914** » Fri May 9, 2008 10:01 pm

BIbby- above average PG
JJ- Great SG
Marvin- Average SF
Smoove- Good to great PF
Horford- Good C

Our starting 5 is fine. We aren't going to win a title with it, but if we can get some vet bench guys and utilize Rio and J-Rich more next season I think we can definetely win 45 games.

They Call Me Cash · Post #4 » by **They Call Me Cash** » Fri May 9, 2008 11:01 pm

Bibby IS NOT an above average PG compared to the rest of the starting PGs in the L.

Marvin IS NOT an average SF compared to the rest of the starting SFs in the L.

CWell · Post #5 » by **CWell** » Fri May 9, 2008 11:05 pm

They Call Me Cash wrote:Bibby IS NOT an above average PG compared to the rest of the starting PGs in the L.

Marvin IS NOT an average SF compared to the rest of the starting SFs in the L.

True that on both.Bibby without his jumpshot is a scrub at this point in his career.He prolly wouldn't have been much without it earlier in his career either.

JoshB914 · Post #6 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:32 am

It's hilarious how Bibby went from untouchable to a scrub in two weeks on this board. He's an above average PG in this league, one bad month and everyone is ready to crucify him.

CWell · Post #7 » by **CWell** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:33 am

JoshB914 wrote:It's hilarious how Bibby went from untouchable to a scrub in two weeks on this board. He's an above average PG in this league, one bad month and everyone is ready to crucify him.

Bibby was NEVER untouchable to me.I never thought he'd last long as he shouldn't and he only got exposed when we needed him most.

JoshB914 · Post #8 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:44 am

Exposed when we needed him most? We don't make the playoffs without the guy!

I think people jsut overrated the guy in the first place, thinking he was a lot better than he was. He's a decent PG nowadays, he'll be a decent PG next year too.

CWell · Post #9 » by **CWell** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:05 am

JoshB914 wrote:Exposed when we needed him most? We don't make the playoffs without the guy!

I think people jsut overrated the guy in the first place, thinking he was a lot better than he was. He's a decent PG nowadays, he'll be a decent PG next year too.

We also don't make the playoffs if Indiana didn't fold under pressure like we did.We lost every last one of the games we needed to clinch besides the Raptors game.I just knew Bibby would bring the outside threat but that's it.It didn't care much for him in the trade.I only cared that we got rid of BOTH AJ and Lue.I thought Acie was gonna get the backup PG minutes which he didn't.He would only get like 3-4 minutes then Woody started with the damn Childress at PG crap again that didn't work once throughout the season.I never wanted Bibby to last to next season.It's Acie's time and it's time for Woody to go.

High 5 · Post #10 » by **High 5** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:33 am

JoshB914 wrote:It's hilarious how Bibby went from untouchable to a scrub in two weeks on this board. He's an above average PG in this league, one bad month and everyone is ready to crucify him.

Bibby is not above average. Really he probably helped us out the most because of what he has done in the past, not what he did during the season. Defenses let up on Joe a bit because of Bibby, but as the playoffs showed, a lot of the times it probably wasn't necessary.

JoshB914 · Post #11 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:33 am

^^^ Um... Toronto?

Look, Bibby was awful in the playoffs. I agree 100% that Acie should have had a chance to show him some serious bench time. But the guy gave us about what we realistically should of expected: streak shooting, decent passing, and excellent leadership.

And CWell you and I both know we would have made the playoffs and beat the Heat and/or Magic if those games meant anything.

High 5 · Post #12 » by **High 5** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:45 am

Bibby is too inconsistent to be considered an above average PG. In the 40 games he played with Atlanta he shot under 40% in 23 of them. (judging from a quick skim, give or take a game) Some of those 23 games you could say he shot us out of. At this point he's sitting at about average. What exactly makes you believe he has "excellent leadership?"

JoshB914 · Post #13 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:33 am

1) I've just heard he was a good leader at virtually every point in his career.

2) I also saw him talking a lot out there and becoming a vet leader immediately. Before him we had JJ who doesn't talk much, Bibby made everyone around him much more confident.

3) The TEAM got drastically better with him on the roster, even when he wasn't playing well.

tontoz · Post #14 » by **tontoz** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:13 pm

JoshB914 wrote:It's hilarious how Bibby went from untouchable to a scrub in two weeks on this board. He's an above average PG in this league, one bad month and everyone is ready to crucify him.

The only way Bibby is an above average pg is if you consider all the backups in the league like AJ and Lue.

Billups
Alston
Ford
Miller
Mo Williams
Fisher
Paul
Parker
Deron
Kidd
Baron
Nash
Harris
Hinich
Calderon

There are 15 pgs. Now tell me how many of those guys Bibby is better than.

trickydik · Post #15 » by **trickydik** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:21 pm

well this is a do or die year for bibby , if by midseason next year , he's not what we want from him i'm sure he will be traded , this will give us half a season to decide what direction we want to go in.

High 5 · Post #16 » by **High 5** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:15 pm

JoshB914 wrote:1) I've just heard he was a good leader at virtually every point in his career.

2) I also saw him talking a lot out there and becoming a vet leader immediately. Before him we had JJ who doesn't talk much, Bibby made everyone around him much more confident.

3) The TEAM got drastically better with him on the roster, even when he wasn't playing well.

Again, I don't know how you can say he made everyone more confident. You might as well say he made everyone a better dancer. There's just as much backing that up.

LL Cool Scott · Post #17 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:27 pm

Regarding Bibby:

Our offense jumped from bottom 5 in the entire league to top 10, after trading for him. That's a pretty shocking improvement. He's a proven winner and a proven leader. I don't really understand all the criticism. He had a rough series against Boston, I'll give you that.

JoshB914 · Post #18 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:30 pm

tontoz wrote:
JoshB914 wrote:It's hilarious how Bibby went from untouchable to a scrub in two weeks on this board. He's an above average PG in this league, one bad month and everyone is ready to crucify him.

The only way Bibby is an above average pg is if you consider all the backups in the league like AJ and Lue.

Billups
Alston
Ford
Miller
Mo Williams
Fisher
Paul
Parker
Deron
Kidd
Baron
Nash
Harris
Hinich
Calderon

There are 15 pgs. Now tell me how many of those guys Bibby is better than.

Haha, that's funny because I did the exact same thing. But I felt he is better than Hinrich, Mo Will, Fish, and Alston. So agree to disagree there.

Like LL said, our offense jumped from the worst to one of the best. And as we have mentioned, it's not like Bibby played great. So yes, I do believe everyone played with more confidence. And yes, there is evidence to back that up if you look at the results.

Or do we think our offense just happened to get better with Bibby in the lineup?

High 5 · Post #19 » by **High 5** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:35 pm

That was mainly because Joe got hot. We still played under .500 ball and our defense was one of the worst in the league over that stretch. Who cares if you score 120 points a game if you give up 125?

JoshB914 · Post #20 » by **JoshB914** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:45 pm

So JJ just suddenly got hot after 50 games of sub par basketball? Come on, if you can't see the correlation here you are just seeing what you want to see.

Our D did get worse, but the results got better.