All-Defensive Teams, a JOKE?

Blame Rasho · Post #101 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:29 pm

goat:manu wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

i will take MANU any day and any time, manu's offense + defense makes him the second best SG OF the league in the NBA (I say this because there are too much KOBE'S FANS HERE, personnally, manu is >>>> all the superstars, superstar care only about their own stats, manu could have a great stats, we all see that this year when TP was out, he averaged 33pts and 8 assists a game, and when TP was back, his stats dropped down, because he doesn't care about his own stats, he does every little things for bring a win to spurs).

This is why no will make take* you* seriously.

Good god... typos... ekk...

BringYoAGame · Post #102 » by **BringYoAGame** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:21 pm

This is a few days late, but holy crap those defensive teams are a Travesty. It's like the voters are getting these tapes on a two year tape-delay and voting for people long after they stopped playing defense.

Among the offenses:

Bruce Bowen is being propped up by Duncan having his back. 2nd team at best, but he shouldn't even be on IMO. Shane Battier deserves that spot.

Jason Kidd is one of the runners up. He got four 1st team votes! Are you kidding me? This ain't 2001!

Just because you see Raja Bell guarding Kobe doesn't make him a good defender. And besides, what about Phoenix makes you think they have any good defenders? By the way, Kobe averaged 31 ppg off 54 FG% on PHX this year.

Denver's too horrendous on D to have any guys on this list, let alone on the 1st team. Look at what Howard did to T-dot. He should be 1st team.

Look at numbers, impact, highlights etc. and ask yourself why Josh Smith isn't on this list. He was #6 on the individual DPOY list.

There's other issues but those are the big ones. 82games needs to come up with a more visible defensive stat, because right now the votes seem to be based on the glory stats and reputation, which is grossly inaccurate sometimes.

Post #103 » by **og15** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:27 pm

Whateva wrote:Point Guards better than Paul defensively :

Fisher,Harris,Rondo,Billups,Hinrich, Snow, Watson,...

I hope Eric Snow was a joke, he hasn't been a good defender in a while, he hasn't even played basketball in an NBA game much in a while. So definatey not him, Watson could be better, but he hasn't played as well defensively the past few years in comparison to when he was in Memphis.

Whateva · Post #104 » by **Whateva** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 pm

Thabo Sefolosha is a better defender than Raja Bell

Whateva · Post #105 » by **Whateva** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:47 pm

Do you think Dwight Howard is a good defensive player ??

Who is right now in your opinion the best defensive center in the NBA ??
IMO, Camby is an overrated defender, he is not a good defensive player

goat:manu · Post #106 » by **goat:manu** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:26 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is why no will make take* you* seriously.

Good god... typos... ekk...

let me explain that:

superstar like kobe, Ai... never want to play as a bench player, MANU don't take so many money as those superstars, MANU can do everything, MANU's defense is much better than AI, NASH, PARKER, .... Manu can do little things are just as important as score big pts, and he is one of the clutchest player of the league.

And a lot of superstars in the league aren't better than manu. and a lot of them care only about their own stats.

Post #107 » by **tkb** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:37 am

Whateva wrote:Then , who is the best perimeter defender in your opinion ? Bryant ? Bell ? Come on, I know Bowen is not the same anymore, but even though he is still the best

There are a few of them. Quinton Ross, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Kobe Bryant, Tayshaun Prince, Stephen Jackson to name some.

Whateva · Post #108 » by **Whateva** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:55 pm

Tyson Chandler is so much better than Camby, IMO he has been probably the best defensive center this last 2 seasons

Mad Balla 15 · Post #109 » by **Mad Balla 15** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:11 am

Battier should have made the 1st team just for the defensive performance he had in that game against the Lakers. I've never seen such great perimeter defense and especially on the best SG in the league.

Whateva · Post #110 » by **Whateva** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:30 am

Should be somethin like this :

1st

Rajon Rondo
Bruce Bowen
Shane Battier
kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

2nd

Chancey Billups
Kobe Bryant /Stephen Jackson / Quinton Ross
Ron Artest /Tayshaun Prince
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard

Post #111 » by **semi-sentient** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:05 am

JordansBulls wrote:If a guy gets 50+ put on them in a season that should disqualify them for the 1st team all defense in all seriousness.

Who exactly are you referring to?

Kobe was not guarding Iverson when he scored the bulk of his points. He went off on Fisher and Farmar. In the 4th, it was Ariza and Kobe that locked Iverson down.

Stop trying to dog "your boy".

Post #112 » by **tkb** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:26 am

JordansBulls wrote:If a guy gets 50+ put on them in a season that should disqualify them for the 1st team all defense in all seriousness.

Where would 35+ points and 20+ assists rank with regards to disqualifying a player from the first team?

magicfan4life05 · Post #113 » by **magicfan4life05** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:38 pm

semi-sentient wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who exactly are you referring to?

Kobe was not guarding Iverson when he scored the bulk of his points. He went off on Fisher and Farmar. In the 4th, it was Ariza and Kobe that locked Iverson down.

Stop trying to dog "your boy".

I think if sefolosha got some more playing time he wouldve got more considerations, he'll be on the defensive teams in the future.

Post #114 » by **penbeast0** » Fri May 16, 2008 1:02 pm

As TKB says, that takes out Jordan and Pippen who were burned for a 31/20/16 day (with 6 steals too) by Fat Lever (Armstrong was covering Michael Adams). One bad day doesn't disqualify you, even on national television.

Post #115 » by **dockingsched** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:51 pm

semi-sentient wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who exactly are you referring to?

Kobe was not guarding Iverson when he scored the bulk of his points. He went off on Fisher and Farmar. In the 4th, it was Ariza and Kobe that locked Iverson down.

Stop trying to dog "your boy".

thats the exact type of comment from him that my sig is referring to.

:lol:

Basileus777 · Post #116 » by **Basileus777** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:57 pm

Whateva wrote:Tyson Chandler is so much better than Camby, IMO he has been probably the best defensive center this last 2 seasons

Not really. Chandler's defense has actually been a little overrated. Brendan Haywood is a better defender. Yao is a better defender. If you count Sheed as a center, he's a lot better.

magicfan4life05 · Post #117 » by **magicfan4life05** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:57 pm

i love JDawg

dcash, do u know what thread your sig is from

Thugmelo · Post #118 » by **Thugmelo** » Sat May 17, 2008 12:27 am

penbeast0 wrote:As TKB says, that takes out Jordan and Pippen who were burned for a 31/20/16 day (with 6 steals too) by Fat Lever (Armstrong was covering Michael Adams). One bad day doesn't disqualify you, even on national television.

And considering It wasn't even a bad day defensively then the whole point is moot.

Jordan fans getting insecure, no problems.

Post #119 » by **semi-sentient** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:14 am

Jordan fans don't have a reason to be insecure. He's so far ahead of Kobe in terms of accomplishments (individual) that's it's not even funny.

Post #120 » by **dockingsched** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:21 am

magicfan4life05 wrote:i love JDawg

dcash, do u know what thread your sig is from

i'm guessing the kobe mvp thread on the general board, i'm not sure though.