If we R offered a 3rd Scoring Option 4 Battier, Jax and Head

[Shabi__5]

I would want Odom only as our pf where he can create mismatches , at sf he will need to shoot more from outrside , and just as quick players as he is will guard him.

[moofs]

McGrady2Head, you left out how Kobe shot 35-98 against us (and rarely has a good game vs. shane). I'd like to see an average statline of the player Shane's guarding vs. the averages of those players when they're playing against other teams. A couple other points are that Shane is a better team defender than 1v1 defender, he is definitely better than Bruce Bowen on several fronts, and something else that I forgot now.

Also if he's so ineffectual against other SGs, why was he third in DPOY and on the second team defensively?

[tha_rock220]

Battier is the key piece to a championship team? his teams havent gotten out of the first round yet. He is not bruce bowen or dennis rodman lol hes not even close. we are overrating battier so much. Battier is the key to our team you say? You say Battier defends all the other teams best players everynight so well? ok, lets see how battier defended some of the leagues elite players this year.

Kobe Bryant - PPG This Year: 28.3
Points Scored vs the Rockets this Year: 45 Points on 13-32 Shooting, 30 points on 11-23 shooting, 24 points on 11-33 shooting
33.0 PPG vs Rockets

LeBron James - PPG this Year: 30.0
Points Scored vs the rockets this year: 32 points on 12-23 shooting, 26 Points on 7-18 shooting and 11 Assists.
29.0 PPG, shooting 46.3% vs Rockets

Dwyane Wade - PPG this year: 24.6
Points Scored vs Rockets This Year: 31 Points on 11-24 shooting, 33 Points on 13-21 shooting.
32.0 PPG, shooting 53.3% vs Rockets

Manu Ginobili - PPG this year: 19.5
Points scored vs the rockets this year: 23 points on 8-17 shooting, 19 points on 5-14 shooting, 21 points on 6-13 shooting, 14 points on 3-8 shooting.
19.3 PPG, shooting 42.3% vs Rockets

Rip Hamilton - PPG this year: 17.3
Points scored vs the rockets this year: 14 points on 6-15 shooting, 17 points on 8-16 shooting.
15.5 PPG, shooting 45.1% vs Rockets

Michael Redd - PPG this year: 22.7
Points scored vs the rockets this year: 26 points on 8-20 shooting.
26 PPG, Shooting 40% vs rockets

Brandon Roy - PPG this year: 19.1
Points scored vs rockets this year: 23 Points on 9-18 shooting, 23 points on 9-17 shooting, 15 points on 5-13 shooting.
20.3 PPG, Shooting 48% vs Rockets

As you can see, most of these guys numbers were better or the same when they played the rockets. Battier makes no difference at all. Im pretty sure anyone of the great scorers on the above list could hold Kobe to 33 pts a game, roy to 20.3, redd to 26, and wade to 32 just like battier did lol. the only difference is that 3rd scorer would also drop 15 - 20 pts themselves, and take the burden off of mac and yao, which battier certainly does not.

You're kind of clueless aren't you. Oh welll, it's not your fault. We beat the Lakers twice because Battier forced Kobe into shooting 30+ times to get good scoring numbers. He forced almost every guy you mentioned into shooting below their averages from the field. I guess that's why you conveniently left those players' shooting %'s for the season off your list. Sorry little fella, but you're wrong.

[TMU]

Just look at Battier's Defensive Win Shares and see where he ranks among the league's best.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... der_by=dws

Oh, don't tell me Paul Pierce is a bad defender. He was an exceptional defender this season.

[texasholdem]

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No thanks. That name fits better in the WNBA.

Um, Tracy is a girl's name as well.

[Amel]

Pierce has played great defense this year

I am as many others on this Battier issue, I like him and would like to keep him, but also I would like this team to progress more

[sweet_jesus]

Kobe Bryant - PPG This Year: 28.3 FG% .459
Points Scored vs the Spurs this Year: 18 Points on 9-19 Shooting, 30 points on 10-24 shooting, 29 points on 12-27 shooting
24.3 PPG vs San Antonio, shooting 44%
Lakers 2-2 VS SA

Ponits Scored vs the Pistons this Year: 19 Points on 6-18 Shooting, 39 Points on 12-25 Shooting
29 PPG vs Detroit, shooting 41%
Lakers 1-1 VS DET

Points Scored vs the Rockets this Year: 45 Points on 13-32 Shooting, 30 points on 11-23 shooting, 24 points on 11-33 shooting
33.0 PPG vs Rockets, Shooting 26%
Lakers 1-2 VS Houston

LeBron James - PPG this Year: 30.0 FG% .484
Points Scored vs the Spurs this year: 27 points on 9-24 shooting, 39 Points on 17-31 shooting
33 PPG vs San Antonio shooting 47%
Cavs 1-1 VS Spurs

Ponits Scored VS the Piston this year: 15 ponits on 5-11 shooting, 30 points on 11-19 shooting, 13 points on 4-17 shooting
19 PPG VS Detroit shooting 42%
Cavs 1-2 VS DET

Points Scored vs the rockets this year: 32 points on 12-23 shooting, 26 Points on 7-18 shooting and 11 Assists.
29.0 PPG, shooting 46.3% vs Rockets
Cavs 0-2 VS HOU




STATS are fun. But don't tell the entire story. Defense is a team goal no one has shut down these guys one on one. If you watch basketball you know how guys like Bowen, Prince and Battier effect the game without effecting the box score.

[jove9]

No thanks. That name fits better in the WNBA.

Not any more than "Tracy."

[TMU]

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Not any more than "Tracy."

You missed my point. I was implying that Bargnani is a scrub.

[jove9]

You missed my point. I was implying that Bargnani is a scrub.

You're right. I did miss that point. My bad.

[A.J.]

we overrate Battier way to much on this board

Thats like saying if we had Gay we will underrate him.

[Alex_De_Large]

from 20 to 14 points in the last regular season:

Andre Iguodala
Mike Dunleavy
Mo Williams
Luol Deng
Mike Miller
Leandro Barbosa
Jason Terry

from 14 to 12 points in the last regular season:

Rashad McCants
Grant Hill
John Salmons
Francisco Garcia



something like this?