If the Knicks want Iguodala

freshie2 · Post #1 » by **freshie2** » Fri May 30, 2008 11:32 am

The article that they are shopping the #6 pick isn't shocking considering every lottery team has had a similar article written about their pick, but if the Knicks would be interested in a s/t for Iguodala, what matching salaries would you take back in addition to the #6 pick? They have plenty of garbage, but what is reasonable to take off their hands in exchange for a chance to grab Randolph/Bayless/Lopez/Mayo/Gallinari?

Turtle610 · Post #2 » by **Turtle610** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:45 pm

Now im Not Sure of the exact numbers and what not

bballin76 · Post #3 » by **bballin76** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:47 pm

Why help out the Knicks salary situation? Leave them to deal with other teams outside of the division.

Turtle610 · Post #4 » by **Turtle610** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:54 pm

i agree...but i still would not mind having a top 10 pick...

howiezbt · Post #5 » by **howiezbt** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:27 pm

i would not give them iggy. Rather them have dre miller.

AI2TY5 · Post #6 » by **AI2TY5** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:34 pm

i think you could do a s&t for malik rose (expires in '09), david lee and the #6. i did a deal using miller for rose and lee and it worked. i'm expecting iggy's first year of the new deal would be in the 9mil range. even if that doesn't yield you the pf you're looking for now you have both rose and miller expiring in '09 to work with and are not stuck with randolph or curry's bad contracts.

bebopdeluxe · Post #7 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:53 pm

AI2TY5:

I would consider that deal.

Philly_King · Post #8 » by **Philly_King** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:04 pm

I don't see the point in trading Iggy for #6. The sixers have put a lot of time on Iguodala and the guy has become a good all-around player. What player is a sure-bet to be better than Iggy at #6?
Some people get a little carried away because of the Piston series and overlook everything Iguodala has done in the last 2 years. The dude is talented and young. He has room to improve and at the very least he is a perfect #2 on a championship caliber team.

Hewy29 · Post #9 » by **Hewy29** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:05 pm

I would not trade igg to the knicks for the number 6. The guards in this draft class are not better than him with the exception of Rose.

CPops57 · Post #10 » by **CPops57** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:37 pm

AI2TY5 wrote:i think you could do a s&t for malik rose (expires in '09), david lee and the #6.

I'd prefer signing Iggy to a reasonable deal but if things fall apart this seems like a fairly reasonable option to consider.

I think David Lee is very valuable. On a good team he'd be considered the 6th man of the year multiple times throughout his career.

I don't know enough about the draftees to definitely know what to do with the #6, but I assume there's good value to be had there.

CPops57 · Post #11 » by **CPops57** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:40 pm

Philly_King and Hewy29,

I'd prefer to keep him as well.

But it doesn't hurt to have a plan B in case negotiations break down and you risk losing him for nothing next year.

bebopdeluxe · Post #12 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:58 pm

CPops57:

I agree with both of your last posts...I guess th at I am not as sold on Jason Smith as others on this forum might be - I woud consider Lee a nice upgrade there. I like the additional cap flexibility of losing Malik's contract (if the plan is just to keep Miller next season and use his cap room next summer. And - at #6 - we could certainly take a good shot of filling one of the holes that Stefanski said he wants to address in this draft.

I think we need a solid plan B if Iggy wants silly money this summer...and this looks like a good one (expecially if we are not moving Miller).

SouthJersey · Post #13 » by **SouthJersey** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:10 pm

Maybe 2 first round picks from NY?

Post #14 » by **tk76** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:01 pm

Sorry, I initially posted this on the wrong thread:

I realize why people are down on Iguodala and concerned about his contract, but I think people overvalue mid lottery picks. Sure some of them end up being stars, but most end up being worse than Iguodala.

I would not trade a solid 24 year old player like Iguodala for the #6 pick (NY's pick). Look at #6 picks over the last 27 years, who other than Roy and maybe Kaman was clearly better than Iguodala is right now? People forget how risky draft picks are unless you get a top 3 pick.

#6 picks (roughly best to worst)

Roy
Kenny Smith
Hersey Hawkins
Antoine Walker
Chris Kaman
Wally Szcerbiak
Shane Battier
Childress
Yi
Webster
Tom Gugliotta
Bryant Reeves
Stacey King
Joe Kleine
DeMarr Johnson
Ron Mercer
Calbert Chaeney
Felton Spencer
William Bedford
Mel Turpin
Doug Smith
Sharone Wright
Robert Traylor
Dajuan Wagner
Stacey King
Joe Kleine

PhillyRocks1 · Post #15 » by **PhillyRocks1** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:35 pm

AI2TY5 wrote:i think you could do a s&t for malik rose (expires in '09), david lee and the #6. i did a deal using miller for rose and lee and it worked. i'm expecting iggy's first year of the new deal would be in the 9mil range. even if that doesn't yield you the pf you're looking for now you have both rose and miller expiring in '09 to work with and are not stuck with randolph or curry's bad contracts.

Knicks aren't going to give up an expireing contract and take on more money with Iggy.

However, If I could trade Iggy and come out with Mayo and Randolph I wouldn't have a problem with that. And still keep the 16 and take another big man. How about adding the 16th to the deal if the Knicks want to include Rose and his contract.

83SixersRocked · Post #16 » by **83SixersRocked** » Sat May 31, 2008 12:47 am

tk76 wrote:#6 picks (roughly best to worst)

Roy
Kenny Smith
Hersey Hawkins
Antoine Walker
Chris Kaman
Wally Szcerbiak
Shane Battier
Childress
Yi
Webster
Tom Gugliotta
Bryant Reeves
Stacey King
Joe Kleine
DeMarr Johnson
Ron Mercer
Calbert Chaeney
Felton Spencer
William Bedford
Mel Turpin
Doug Smith
Sharone Wright
Robert Traylor
Dajuan Wagner
Stacey King
Joe Kleine

Some of those are pretty bad. Only one change I'd make right off the bat - Gugliotta should be top 3 IMO. Before he tore up his knees he was a heck of a player.

Post #17 » by **Stanford** » Sat May 31, 2008 1:08 am

TK, shouldn't you include the players picked in the 6-10 range? We would have more than just one option with the pick.

phiphan · Post #18 » by **phiphan** » Sat May 31, 2008 1:47 am

tk76 wrote:Sorry, I initially posted this on the wrong thread:

I realize why people are down on Iguodala and concerned about his contract, but I think people overvalue mid lottery picks. Sure some of them end up being stars, but most end up being worse than Iguodala.

I would not trade a solid 24 year old player like Iguodala for the #6 pick (NY's pick). Look at #6 picks over the last 27 years, who other than Roy and maybe Kaman was clearly better than Iguodala is right now? People forget how risky draft picks are unless you get a top 3 pick.

#6 picks (roughly best to worst)

Roy
Kenny Smith
Hersey Hawkins
Antoine Walker
Chris Kaman
Wally Szcerbiak
Shane Battier
Childress
Yi
Webster
Tom Gugliotta
Bryant Reeves
Stacey King
Joe Kleine
DeMarr Johnson
Ron Mercer
Calbert Chaeney
Felton Spencer
William Bedford
Mel Turpin
Doug Smith
Sharone Wright
Robert Traylor
Dajuan Wagner
Stacey King
Joe Kleine

Well we could just trade the 6th pick for the 9th pick straight up. That way we'd get a guy like Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki, or Tracy McGrady.

:roll:

SendEm · Post #19 » by **SendEm** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:01 am

phiphan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well we could just trade the 6th pick for the 9th pick straight up. That way we'd get a guy like Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki, or Tracy McGrady.

You are such a homer. :lol:

Post #20 » by **tk76** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:33 pm

The 6th pick has been a bit of a black hole, but if you average out all of the picks from 6-9 you will have a star less than 10% of the time, and a bust more than 20% of the time. On average you get a Clarence Weatherspoon.