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Post#81 » by Kosta » Fri May 30, 2008 1:58 am

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The 16 GMs did a ton of work and spent about 1000 hours doing research. They then waited at the mercy of judges. The whole thing rubs me the wrong way. If you read the 1st or 2nd page you will find my post suggesting the GMs should judge.

I knew ahead of time who the judges were and that most of them never saw MJ play much less anyone before 1990. If I wanted to win I would have taken all active players (becasue you know the 60s was nothing but 6'6" white guys). I do this not to win but to test myself and more improtantly to learn and to interact with so many of the posters here. There were nights when I had 6 Gms IMing me and we were talking basketball. Thats what I enjoyed. I know that theres at least 2 GMs that would never vote for me no matter what. Go back and read some of the judges writeups. Its pure comedy....

Mythbreaker told me my team was too old and wouldnt get a vote. I told him I dont want there votes just the respect of the other GMs.
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That's a great idea and should be taken into major consideration on the next ATL. The G.M's are the ones doing the research and work anyways, so they'll be most qualified to judge.

I really hope there wasn't bias with some of the current judges, but I can't help agree with the points you made.

And again, take it easy and get back to 100%. Hope everything is getting better with the family.
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Post#82 » by tmac4real » Fri May 30, 2008 3:35 am

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Ok then...

This one was difficult because Boston didn't have a writeup, and the Knicks' writeup was shorter than most of the others. Obviously the key matchup here is Frazier vs. Stockton, honorable mention to Robinson vs. Moses.

Even though I hate the Knicks with a passion, I have to say the rest of the judges made the right decision. Although I feel that they do not really have great first scoring option, guys like Monroe and Walker would do the job, and they have some gifted scorers off the bench. Boston, on the other hand, has the scorers in Moncrief and Carter, but you always have to question VC's will to win. I think that Camby would be forced to elevate his offensive game because of Stockton, so their offense would not have much to worry about.

I do think that Boston has a deeper bench than the Knicks, but these two teams really are very similar. I think that New York has the best player in this series in Stockton, and he would lead the team to victory.


Bro, there are two players on both teams that are better htan STockton. DRob and MOses are easily better than Stockton. Then you have Walt who is arguably better as well.

The only reason STockton is where he's at is because of longevity, in this tournament where prime is ocncerned his value diminishes, and Drob/Moses/Walt were still considered better plaeysr on career by most.

Boy boy I really wish I coulda written a writeup, I'd been working 7 days a week and am also juggling summer classes so I couldn't get to it.

I think after TrueLA my team was the most realistic and balanced.

You had my main offense option Drob, Cowens who is like a MVP role player who'd just get his points off open layups and offensive rebounds. Sidney Moncrief and Walt are natural offensive players with no real set plays run for them, they'd just get their shots naturally, and VC who would be my guy that stretches the D with his good 3point shot and slash on occassion.

Moncrief was known for his defense, but he was also a 20 PPG scorer on 50% so I don't know what u mean by "guys like" Moncrief when you referring to my offense.

3 of my guys in my SL shoot 50+% and two of them shoot 46%.

My bench was also comprised of guys that were suited to the bench role. Detlef Schremph - 2 6MOY. Averaged 19 ppg off the bench with 50 FG% and 40 3PFG%.

Michael Ray Richardson, named as the next Walt Frazier, two all D teams, lead the league in steals twice, assists once, PRIME averages would have come out to 16/8/7/2.5.

Dan Marjele - Great shooter, top 5 in 3Point makes 3-4 times in his prime. He was a guy that would really stretch the defense when I needed to. Not to mention an All Defensive member once as well. IMO he was my favorite selection of the whole draft lol. To get a guy this late was pretty awesome.

Robert Parish - No introduction needed. Awesome awesome scorer, awesome shotblocker, awesome rebounder. Best center rotation in the league bar none IMO.

Andrei Kirlenko - Needed another lengthy guy that could come in for VC or guard Detlef's guy when 2nd unit was in. He can shotblock pass, score, rebound everything.

Cedrick Maxwell: I was planning to run something like this rotation: 28 min VC, 10 min Andrei 10 Min Maxewll. He was a Finals MVP who on occassion could be the best player on the floor. A La a Manu Ginobili. He won finals MVP with Larry Legend averaging 26/10/6 in the playoffs...

John Starks: 6MOY. Gritty defender, decent 3 point shooter and rose his game in the playoffs.

EVERY SINGLE GUy i drafted brought alot of differnet things to the floor. I actually like my bench better than my SL because of how versatile and awesome it was. I have stellar perimeter D with michael ray and Dan, stellar post D with Parish and Andrei, great shotblocking with Parish and Andrei, good passing with Andrei and Michael Ray, scoring with Parish/Marjele/Maxwell, solid rebounding with Parish. And most of all almost all of those guys were on the bench for good portion of their careers or possessed attitudes that could be said to coexist on the bench. Every single one of them didn't need the ball to be effective.

Dan brought spotup shooting and defense. Michael Ray brought D and simple passing, Andrei brought up defense, rebounding, Parish brought in D and passing, Detlef brought in sweet sweet shooting and passing.

I know it's useless to write my writeup now, but it's not just about winning or losing, this was basically an introduction to my team.

Anyways, congrats Random.
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Post#83 » by penbeast0 » Fri May 30, 2008 3:42 pm

Tmac, you had an interesting and dangerous team and yes, you were basically TrueLAFan mark two with better guards and a lesser center. It's a shame you couldn't write it up because I would have enjoyed reading the debate between you and Randomhero.
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Post#84 » by tmac4real » Fri May 30, 2008 5:49 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Tmac, you had an interesting and dangerous team and yes, you were basically TrueLAFan mark two with better guards and a lesser center. It's a shame you couldn't write it up because I would have enjoyed reading the debate between you and Randomhero.


Yeah I tried to build it like that, first time in an ATL i got a team almost exactly as i wanted it.

Just for fun this was the primes I was going to use and their stats:

PG: Walt Frazier - 18.7 PPG 6.2 APG 6 RPG 51 FG% 2 SPG
All 5 years 1st Team Defensive.
3 time All NBA 1st, 2 time All NBA 2nd.
Top 7 in MVP voting 3 times.
He may look like an "average' PG by stats but many people think him to even better than John Stockton and Gary Payton.

SG: Sidney Moncrief - 21 PPG 5.8 RPG 4.7 APG 1.5 SPG 50.4 FG%
2 Time Defensive Player of the Year.
4 time All Defensive 1st, 1 time All defensive 2nd
1 All NBA 1st Team, 4 All NBA 2nd
His team (Bucks) had the 3rd highest winning percentage of the 80's behind the Lakers and Celtics.

SF: Vince Carter - 24 PPG 5.2 RPG 4 APG 45 FG% 39 3PFG% 1 SPG 1 BPG
2 All NBA 2nd.

PF: Dave Cowens = 19.5 PPG 15.6 RPG 4.1 APG 47 FG%
MVP
3 All NBA Teams
1 All NbA Defensive 1st. 1 All NBA defensive 2nd
Top 4 in MVP Voting 4 times.

C: David Robinson - 26 PPG 11.7 RPG 3.3 APG 3.6 BPG 1.75 SPG 53 FG%
MVP
Defensive Player of the Year
3 All Defensive 1st 2 All Defensive 2nd (keep in mind playing with Hakeem)
3 All NBA 1st Team, 2 All NBA 2nd
Top 6 in MVP Voting 5/5 seasons. Average comes out to 3rd in MVP voting in his prime.

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So my guards give me about: 40 PPG 12 RPG 11 APG about 3.5 SPG shoot at 51 FG% make 9 out of 10 All Defensive Firsts, have a 2 time defensive player of the year out there, and are widely recognzied as the greatest defenders to ever play at their position.

My two big men are two MVP's, who combine for about 45 PPG 27 RPG 3.8 APG shoot roughly 50% and I have a DPOY and on total they made about 7 All Defensive teams in their primes.

My "weak link" supposedly Vince, is a TREMENDOUS 3 point shooter, shooting nearly 40% from the 3pointline in his prime. Which is why I got him, to stretch the defense. He's being asked to give me about 20 PPG (that's all I need with Drob scoring 26, and Moncrief and Frazier contributing about 40). He's been asked to use that tremendous 3 point shot he has and shoot from there.

I already have a slasher in Moncrief who could do it all. Slash, post up, spot up. I have a guy like Frazier who can get into the lane very well as well.

I don't need Vince to be "the man!". Hell I'm going to use that knock on him as an advantage. Didn't he say he didn't want to be No.1 option? He's not in this case. Drob is, and Moncrief can be 2nd option if Vince wants to lower the pressure even further. No probelmo.

As far as FGA, because Frazier/Moncrief are so efficient, they only attempt 13 FGA a piece. Vince attempts around 20 at full scoring (which he won't be because I'll reduce his FGA to hover around 15-16). David Robinson attemps about 20, I'll let him get his full quota becuase he's the best scorer on the floor. Cowens I'm not evne going to worry about, he's a tremendous offensive rebounder and his attempts will = whatever open layups he gets and his points off offensive boards.
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Post#85 » by Kosta » Fri May 30, 2008 7:16 pm

Any word on the last two judges decisions?
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Post#86 » by Baller 24 » Fri May 30, 2008 7:25 pm

Kosta wrote:Any word on the last two judges decisions?


I'll email milkdud to finish up his decision on the west.
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Post#87 » by penbeast0 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:33 pm

And I will PM NO-KG-AI and Studcrackers (who we added) . . . remember, it only takes 3 to win.
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Post#88 » by Baller 24 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:42 pm

penbeast0 wrote:And I will PM NO-KG-AI and Studcrackers (who we added) . . . remember, it only takes 3 to win.


Yeah, two judges should do the trick, it just comes down to who replys first.
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Post#89 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri May 30, 2008 10:06 pm

Miami Heat Vs. Detroit Pistons

I really like how the Heat are built here, they are going to run wild, with Mutumbo
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Post#90 » by Kosta » Fri May 30, 2008 10:20 pm

I like your reasoning Sal, at least I can live with that. But again old time players getting no respect, let's put Billups in the top 50 and rank him as one of the best point guards of all time now, because you just basically said Billups>Cousy on both ends of the floor.

I really had no chance with guys like Rodman, Amare, Billups and Reggie on the other side, because frankly people just don't want to give the guys in the 50's and 60's their due. At least I've learned that now, I'll be drafting exclusively from the 80's and early 90's next time. Unless it's Wilt, West, or Russell. because apparently they're the only ones worth jack back then to RealGM.

Anyways, had a fun time. I'll be up for the next one, if you guys want me around again.
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Post#91 » by penbeast0 » Fri May 30, 2008 10:32 pm

And that brings the Wild Wild West to:

WEST:
Nuggets(Myth Breaker) at Suns(Kosta) 3-1 DEN win

Clippers(trueLAfan) at Blazers(zong) 3-1 LAC win

Golden State(TMACFORMVP) vs San Antonio(mudyez) 3-1 GSW win

Tied and going into the final game we have

Rockets(Baller 24) at Mavericks(ss_mav) 2-2

Hopefully Milkdud or Studcrackers will check in soon
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Post#92 » by Baller 24 » Fri May 30, 2008 10:34 pm

Ouch tied series, it comes down to the last vote, good luck ss_mav, :)
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Post#93 » by studcrackers » Fri May 30, 2008 10:37 pm

sorry ive been busy for the 1st time in a while this past week or else i probably couldve done some. let me take a quick review of this matchup and i'll evaluate
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Post#94 » by studcrackers » Fri May 30, 2008 11:22 pm

alright ive got to go to a graduation party

but im going with the mavs, i think the mavs frontcourt is a lot better and big O will abuse wilkens and that there bench is a lot better.

i'll add more info, but wow this is a really tough matchup to decide
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Post#95 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri May 30, 2008 11:42 pm

Kosta wrote:I like your reasoning Sal, at least I can live with that. But again old time players getting no respect, let's put Billups in the top 50 and rank him as one of the best point guards of all time now, because you just basically said Billups>Cousy on both ends of the floor.

I really had no chance with guys like Rodman, Amare, Billups and Reggie on the other side, because frankly people just don't want to give the guys in the 50's and 60's their due. At least I've learned that now, I'll be drafting exclusively from the 80's and early 90's next time. Unless it's Wilt, West, or Russell. because apparently they're the only ones worth jack back then to RealGM.

Anyways, had a fun time. I'll be up for the next one, if you guys want me around again.


Yea these things are rough, Myth has the experience.

As for Billups and Cousy, I think Cousy is a top 50 player of all time because of how he stacks up to his era, I'm not comparing how guys would fair in their era though, and I think Cousy would get worked by a big athletic guard, who also happens to shoot better...
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