Doc Rivers

doctaJ_92 · Post #1 » by **doctaJ_92** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:53 am

The reason the team stopped playing was he stopped coaching. Instead of leaving in one of PJ or Leon to continue to pound the Lakers inside and on the boards, he puts in Posey likely for experimental reasons for the upcoming games and the Celtics played soft and stopped pounding the inside, and worst of all, stopped rotating hard on defence. The coaching advantage showed through in the 4th, thank god he didnt try smallball earlier.

rambo_ortega · Post #2 » by **rambo_ortega** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:58 am

^yah, he did that already a couple of times. we looked tired again there. our advantage was powe and pj. he should've left one of them in.

LetTheTruthbeHeard · Post #3 » by **LetTheTruthbeHeard** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:00 am

how does this excuse the other 4 guys from playing D.....?

Doc didn't put them to sleep, the 20+ point cushion did.

celtsloyalty · Post #4 » by **celtsloyalty** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:03 am

i totally i agree, that was the most sickening win i've ever seen. James Posey hadn't played pf all game and it was fine to stick him in when it was a blowout, but he should have been out of there by the time the game got within 14 points. This is the nba finals, that was one of the most pathetic coaching decisions i've ever seen leaving posey in when Pj or powe would have come in and instantly stopped the bleeding considering they were both playing smothering d down low the WHOLE game. wtf

doctaJ_92 · Post #5 » by **doctaJ_92** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:04 am

^ Once Doc took the bangers out the Celtics didnt go to the boards at all or inside and its like they lost all of their energy. As the saying goes, if it aint broke dont fix it. The players follow their coach, and Doc was already getting ready for game 3 instead of continuing to coach game 2.

doctaJ_92 · Post #6 » by **doctaJ_92** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:05 am

celtsloyalty wrote:i totally i agree, that was the most sickening win i've ever seen. James Posey hadn't played pf all game and it was fine to stick him in when it was a blowout, but he should have been out of there by the time the game got within 14 points. This is the nba finals, that was one of the most pathetic coaching decisions i've ever seen leaving posey in when Pj or powe would have come in and instantly stopped the bleeding considering they were both playing smothering d down low the WHOLE game. wtf

And I'm not saying Posey played bad either, because he played fantastic in the first half, but putting him at the 4 seemed like a move just to match up with Radman at the 4 when Leon was eating him inside and he looked like he wanted to be subbed out the way Leon was beating him up. The substitution was one of the worst in NBA history.

IN THE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION.

haha.

BillessuR6 · Post #7 » by **BillessuR6** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:08 am

We can`t play small ball because we must prevent them from having 4 three point shooters on the floor. That is their strength!

Play big! Play KG at 4 and Powe, PJ, Perk at center! Play big and stop with this small ball crap! Let them react to us and not the other way around!

Fencer reregistered · Post #8 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:19 am

When the Cs have a big lead near the end of games, Doc tends to match up rather than allow mismatches at both ends.

But then, he tends to do that the rest of the time too ...

Cyclical · Post #9 » by **Cyclical** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:25 am

The guys we had on the court should have been able to do the job. It wasn't like we had Scal and Pruitt out there. Not everything is always on Doc -- the players should have done the job. Regardless, they closed out the last minute properly.

ArmstrongInGreen · Post #10 » by **ArmstrongInGreen** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:25 am

yeah good point, we allowed ourselves to be sucked into a perimeter game with only KG out there to control the boards...

Post #11 » by **sully00** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:25 am

What a joke this thread is. It is so representative of the Doc haters on this board. What game were you watching?

Who was PJ or Powe going to guard? Vald Rad on the 3pt line? Gasol and Odom did not damage down the stretch this was Kobe and 3 pt chucking. They were down 24 points they were going small and chucking no matter what. Who was going to guard Kobe?

Posey made nothing but plays, he has been the guy the whole season. This concept makes no sense and it is the only way to put this at Doc's feet. The Lakers were desperate and the C's were lax and sloppy on both ends.

Go smoke another one with Chief Triangle.

daveisceltics · Post #12 » by **daveisceltics** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:26 am

Yeah, we can't blame Doc for putting Pose in causing them to fall asleep.
The team took the lead, pounded the ball, and didn't look for shots.
They played the clock with too much time left.

Joyeuse · Post #13 » by **Joyeuse** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:50 am

I thought it was a decent idea to put Posey out there to guard their three point shooters; it just didn't work out.

To be honest, I think a lot of it was that the Lakers were just hitting everything. We can't blame everything on the Celtics, as poorly as they played. The Lakers hit something like eight of their last nine three point attempts, and Kobe was hitting some well-guarded shots. Much respect for all the shots they were hitting at the end of those games.

return2glory · Post #14 » by **return2glory** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:28 am

sully00 wrote:What a joke this thread is. It is so representative of the Doc haters on this board. What game were you watching?

Who was PJ or Powe going to guard? Vald Rad on the 3pt line? Gasol and Odom did not damage down the stretch this was Kobe and 3 pt chucking. They were down 24 points they were going small and chucking no matter what. Who was going to guard Kobe?

Posey made nothing but plays, he has been the guy the whole season. This concept makes no sense and it is the only way to put this at Doc's feet. The Lakers were desperate and the C's were lax and sloppy on both ends.

Go smoke another one with Chief Triangle.

Since when should a team with a big lead try to adjust to the other teams type of play. You play the players and style that got you the lead in the first place.

Posey made some big plays, but he also make some bad plays. Anyone remember the play where he didn't box out Vlad and Vlad got an easy offensive put back?

Doc Rivers puts in all perimeter players and then says we stopped being aggressive. No ****. Powe was very aggressive and got to the line 13 times in only 15 minutes, so what does Doc do? He takes me out. We become a jump shooting team and stop playing agressively. Is it Rocket science?

When you have a big lead, you go into the post and get either closer looks or get to the line. Two things happen when you do this:
1. Your chances of scoring points increases.
2. It slows down the other team because it makes it harder for them to run after made baskets because it allows your team time to get back and play defense.

Post #15 » by **sully00** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:54 pm

This wasn't an offensive issue, the C's scored 25 pts in the 4th quarter. Leon was in the game when things went wrong. He missed a FT, 1 of 4 we missed as a team in the final 7 mins. His man, Vlad Rad drills a 3, he misses a shot, and then he commits a foul on Fisher on the rotation. He didn't have anyone to guard. The Lakers are on a 7-0 run. Doc goes to Ray in place of Powe. The C's close out Radmonovich on the 3pt line even though he does get loose on the offensive glass. Ray comes in and scores on an offensive put back and sets Posey up for two wide open 3's in the corner and he makes one.

If one of a half dozen things goes the other way down the stretch it never gets that close. The Lakers played desperate basketball and the C's played not to lose. The last thing we needed was one less, shooter, perimeter defender, and ball handler on the floor. Leon Powe isn't beating Derek Fisher to that loose ball.

If he had left Powe in the game and the results were the same you would all be crying why did he have Leon trying to guard on the perimeter.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #16 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:35 pm

Cyclical wrote:The guys we had on the court should have been able to do the job. It wasn't like we had Scal and Pruitt out there. Not everything is always on Doc -- the players should have done the job. Regardless, they closed out the last minute properly.

^This

giambijuice · Post #17 » by **giambijuice** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 2:36 pm

though i wasn't happy with the laker run, the upside is, hopefully, doc can point to last night as a reason to play for all 48. no lead is safe.