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Should David Stern resign his position as NBA Commissioner

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Post#21 » by hermes » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:08 am

Ian4 wrote:i think the raptors/ philly game in 01' was rigged and the raptors should've gone on to win the title. look how badly carter was pushed and shoved with no calls.
i think they should strip the laker's of there 2001 title and it should be handed to the Toronto raptors.

the 2001 lakers were an unbelievable team, i don't know if they were going to lose to anybody
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Post#22 » by Don Draper » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:11 am

360 wrote:Short answer: No.

Long answer:

I think that every issue that has been brought to the league's attention has been dealt with accordingly. Like flopping. They have agreed to do something about it next year. The players didn't like the new ball, they canned it. Crawford was suspended the rest of the season for picking on Duncan. Donaghy was fired. Miami was allowed a do-over of their game against the Hawks (not the league's fault Shaq wasn't available).

I do agree something else needs to be done about the inconsistency in calls but it will never be totally resolved. When a foul is called with .5 seconds left, people cry "LET THEM PLAY!" But if they don't call a foul, people say it was a blown call. And when the league comes out and amit to bad calls(like the Pierce offensive foul) everyone talks about how stupid it made them look.

Also, alot of fans who complain about the discrepancy in calls don't feel that way when it's their team that seems to be benefiting. Most fans feel like superstars should get calls that role players don't. This is something that even the coaches and the media seem to support. Another reason I think there is often a discrepancy in calls is that some teams are just more aggressive. They take it to the hole more and they force the refs to make calls. They don't give calls to guys that lay it up soft or who are fading away when they shoot. That's shying away from contact.

I think there will be bad calls forever and ever on any level of basketball, but rarely do I think it's the result of some conspiracy and rarely does it decide the outcome of a game. I think that a team's inability to rebound, failure to hit freethrows, failure to convert off of turnovers, turning the ball over too much, going on long offensive droughts, having defensive meltdowns, and incompetent coaching all cause more losses than poor officiating.

I think the best thing for this league is to have a coach's challenge sort of like the NFL's but these challenges should allow the refs to review their calls. Maybe 3 challenges for each team and they should be totally disconnected from the regular time outs so that they don't lose them if they're wrong.

I also think it's important to remember that this game is played at a very fast pace and when something happens, refs have to make a decision in a split second.


I think Stern has done everything he can do to make this league attractive to fans worldwide. People joke about the NBA cares idea but I think it's great because franchises are becoming more than just businesses. They're part of the community. He's brought along the D-League and the WNBA (whether you like it or not). The NBA is definitely more popular outside the US than the NFL is. No one is perfect but I think Stern has done an outstanding job.


1) Even Lakers fans even say there was something fishy about game 6 of the WCF

2) The pace of th eNBa has actually slowed down from the 80s. It's a little bit faster than the mid 90s but even still I don't think pace has anything to do with it. Some of those calls are so obvious. Maybe it's because the players are stronger and faster? But then the question is know this have ref procedures been tweaked to account for this?

Obviously not.
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Post#23 » by Ian4 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:14 am

hermes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


the 2001 lakers were an unbelievable team, i don't know if they were going to lose to anybody
im joking , im poking fun at all these allegations. :lol:
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Post#24 » by CITYOFANGELSX3 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:38 am

Blame Rasho wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Nah...Just give it a big

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considering they were so quick to label other teams championships ;)


Thats the same * thats next to the 99 title. Makes sense.
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Post#25 » by Blame Rasho » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:54 am

CITYOFANGELSX3 wrote:Thats the same * thats next to the 99 title. Makes sense.


Someone doesn't appreciate the irony of what I said...
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Post#26 » by garrick » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:20 am

David Stern is just about making money, any questions about the quality of the refs are consistently blown off with no visible improvement.
How do refs like Violet Palmer continue to officiate NBA games? I heard she is one of the worst in the business.
There needs to be a checking system that evaluates referees performances and a way to make sure that rules are adhered to all season long.
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Post#27 » by HarlemHeat37 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:07 am

if there's an investigation and the allegations are true(which they most likely are, but let's wait until it's official), how could the NBA not strip LA of the title? it would be impossible..every Kings fans would ask for it, so would their owners and their management..I'm pretty sure the rest of the NBA would too..if Stern was going to keep his job, he would have to do it to save face..and whoever the new commish was, he'd probably do it to send a message..

if the NBA hands you a title, you can't keep it..an * is the same thing as stripping the title..

of course you can't give Sacto the title, that would be unfair to the Nets..so this would be impossible..the only logical scenario would be for the NBA to determine that there was NO NBA champion in 2002 due to cheating..which isn't even fair to the Kings, but at least it's punishment for the cheating..

it's sad that Shaq, Kobe and the rest of the Lakers should be punished, but if it's true, there's no way they deserve to have the title in 2002..it would have to be stripped, it's the only way the NBA can lay the law down and regain some credibility..
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Post#28 » by Yadadimean » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:49 am

^^^Great post.
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Post#29 » by evilRyu » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:32 pm

garrick wrote:David Stern is just about making money, any questions about the quality of the refs are consistently blown off with no visible improvement.
How do refs like Violet Palmer continue to officiate NBA games? I heard she is one of the worst in the business.
There needs to be a checking system that evaluates referees performances and a way to make sure that rules are adhered to all season long.


Yeup.. it's really just a business now these days
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Post#30 » by Da big3 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:59 pm

HarlemHeat37 wrote:IMO..

-investigation by higher powers..
-fire Stern..
-strip the Lakers of their 2002 title..
-the NBA issues a public apology to the Sacramento Kings and the Rockets..
-apologies from David Stern to every individual member of both teams..



and give it to the Nets...

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