06/19 ESPN & DX.com Speculation

europa · Post #1161 » by **europa** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:22 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:If it's so important and your friends job is in jeopardy, keep your mouth shut and your hands off the keyboard.

I don't recall CBQ saying a single thing about the particulars of this trade in this thread. It seems she's done exactly what she preaches - she kept quiet about info she was given.

El Duderino · Post #1162 » by **El Duderino** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:22 pm

DrugBust wrote:
carmelbrownqueen wrote:Stuff like this is delicate info and throwing out a clue for someone to speculate on is different from emailing the details to everyone who requests it. Too many people received an email about this and then someone posted it on the boards, and then people started responding too it and pretty much confirming whether parts were true or not based on their answer.. that's not cool at all. People can lose jobs over stuff like this, it's not something to be taken lightly.

Cry about it, seriously.

The only reason a few dopes around here like to put out vague hints is because they get off on seeing everyone try and dissect every last word they say. If they don't want something to get out, then they should simply shut up.

Ditto

It's amusing watching so many on here trying dissect every ultra vague claim of inside info like they are playing a game of Clue, as the poster claiming to have the inside info comes back here and there with another vague "clue" just to watch the masses beg for more like a dog with some meat be waved in their face.

Tomorrow will be here soon enough, enjoy the excitement of not knowing what will happen until then.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #1163 » by **Buck You** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:23 pm

We need Sigra here to read between the lines and tell us the rumor is bogus.

steger_3434 · Post #1164 » by **steger_3434** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:24 pm

europa wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:If it's so important and your friends job is in jeopardy, keep your mouth shut and your hands off the keyboard.

I don't recall CBQ saying a single thing about the particulars of this trade in this thread. It seems she's done exactly what she preaches - she kept quiet about info she was given.

If more than a couple people found out about this trade it's obvious they found out about it from their past sources. Sources that have been their's for awhile and with the old regime. If that's the case I wouldn't be upset if they were stupid enough to continue to spew info. Get rid of the whole old regime if need be.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #1165 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:25 pm

Balls2TheWalls wrote:
Will Perdude wrote:Chill out, everyone. There are hundreds of rumors out there right now. And pages 65 - 72 of a Bucks thread on RealGM has 0% influence on the draft. We are all giving ourselves a little too much power and influence. Chill out and let this play out.

I think that CBQ is more worried about people in the front office figuring out who the inside sources are and snuffing them out. Professionalism when given private information would be key to protecting your sources.

Pretty much, but doesn't seem like very many fans understand that.

CorporateBucks · Post #1166 » by **CorporateBucks** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:27 pm

Isn't Mason supposed to be at the summerfest draft party

Nowak008 · Post #1167 » by **Nowak008** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:30 pm

I hate Twiggy.

fam3381 · Post #1168 » by **fam3381** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:30 pm

Wait, who originally emailed this stuff in the first place? Is CBQ the original source or is she just annoyed on behalf of Wichmae?

trwi7 · Post #1169 » by **trwi7** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:33 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Can someone hook me up? nowak008@uwp.edu

msiris · Post #1170 » by **msiris** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:34 pm

carmelbrownqueen wrote:
Balls2TheWalls wrote:
Will Perdude wrote:Chill out, everyone. There are hundreds of rumors out there right now. And pages 65 - 72 of a Bucks thread on RealGM has 0% influence on the draft. We are all giving ourselves a little too much power and influence. Chill out and let this play out.

I think that CBQ is more worried about people in the front office figuring out who the inside sources are and snuffing them out. Professionalism when given private information would be key to protecting your sources.
Pretty much, but doesn't seem like very many fans understand that.

But why would a poster put his or her sources at risk in the first place? I know I would not. But I understand what you are saying CBQ.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #1171 » by **Buck You** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:36 pm

Nowak is a little late to the party.

emunney · Post #1172 » by **emunney** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:37 pm

Bless your heart Nowak.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #1173 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:39 pm

fam3381 wrote:Wait, who originally emailed this stuff in the first place? Is CBQ the original source or is she just annoyed on behalf of Wichmae?

I wasn't the originator. Last I left the boards several hours ago, there were people asking to be emailed about this deal and wichmae was nowhere in sight or simply wasn't responding. I came back to the boards after some meetings and the info had been emailed (it seemed) to everyone who asked for it and then subsequently posted and all but confirmed.

Nowak008 · Post #1174 » by **Nowak008** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:41 pm

emunney wrote:Bless your heart Nowak.

Got home from work and stated at 55, and just posted.. ill edit.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #1175 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:47 pm

But why would a poster put his or her sources at risk in the first place? I know I would not. But I understand what you are saying CBQ.

Personally I wouldn't. I have posted a little here and there in the past, but I learned quickly that stuff like that needs to be at a minimum. Excited fans want to know, and sometimes when we have these discussions and fans are WAY off base on things... saying a little about what is or isn't true seems so harmless but depending on how detailed you are it can be completely harmful to the source.

Chapter29 · Post #1176 » by **Chapter29** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:58 pm

I only read bits and pieces of this huge thread, but I'm with you CBQ, for what its worth. I appreciate what little people can share and there is no reason to jeopardize that. A public website could easily do that.

As to this proposed trade.

I honestly cannot see CV, Mason and 8 for Hinrich, though Hinrich is the best player in the deal. CV and Mason for him sure. No 8. I cannot see him being that valuable, given how poorly he played. Mason, Gadz and 8, perhaps.

I would try and get Nocioni added to the deal somehow and then they can have the pick.

You can still get a player at 8. That should not be had on the cheap.

Chapter29 · Post #1177 » by **Chapter29** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:58 pm

Double post.

Licensed to Il · Post #1178 » by **Licensed to Il** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:06 pm

I could forsee a scenario where Hammond basically sent out word to every GM that the #8 was available for the best young veteran that was offered. Several pitches came bac,, ranging from semi crappy to semi decent. After sifting through the carnage, Hinrich was the most enticing option, and a player at the position of the greatest need. Hammond talks to Skiles, Skiles gives it the ok. Then talks shift to making it work cap wise. Hammond offers Bobby and 8 to match up the numbers, but Paxson says he only makes the deal if he gets back expiring contracts. Throwing in Mason and CV seems really steep to Hammonds, so he puts it on the table in the file folder labeled "best offer to date" and that is where we find ourselves now.

That, in my opinion, is a vere reasonable scenario. I don't see the Bulls interested in Mason or CV, its just that Pax wants those expiring contracts.

Also, our lack of contingincies (other players worked out higher and lower) scares me a little. As if whatever is going to happen is already agreed on.

El Duderino · Post #1179 » by **El Duderino** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:31 pm

I can't see how Hammond would trade for Hinrich unless he already had a trade in place for Mo or is nearly certain he can move Mo later on for a deal he's comfortable with.

IMO some here overrate Hinrich, but i'd be ok with acquiring him because i'm so sick of watching a soft no defense back court like TJ/Redd or Mo/Redd. I'm not fond of trading the 8th pick in a deal to get Hinrich, but if Hammond got back a mid-first for Mo, that would lessen my reservations.

The one thing i really don't want Hammond to do is get so wrapped up in trying to win now, that he makes multiple moves that make us better next year, but it leaves little for long term growth and the Bucks get stuck back in that 41ish win/fringe playoff team land.

lajes55 · Post #1180 » by **lajes55** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:35 pm

Terrible deal. This is more value than what the Lakers gave up for Gasol and we won't be getting a player half as good as that. I might be able to talk myself into Gadz/8 but adding in Mason and CV is just way too much. Unless they have a killer deal for Mo lined up I don't see any way this team ever wins more than 45 games.

As far as inside info goes, if you can't risk it coming out than you shouldn't say anything about it period. You won't have everyone on this board eating out of your hand that way but you won't be putting your source at risk. If having this deal on real gm is enough to put it in jeapordy or even enough to get whomever came up with it fired I will be thrilled.

I won't worry too much untill FormerBucksFan makes an appearance though, this deal is so lopsided I couldn't see Isaiah Thomas doing it.