Jason Kidd:"Avery was crazy"...

Copperhead · Post #1 » by **Copperhead** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:38 pm

This Slam article led me to another article where Kidd says...

"They can't blame that one on me. When I got there, the players all thought he was crazy. And he was."

So is he saying he didn't know what kind of system Avery ran BEFORE he agreed to go there?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_9739378

http://slamonline.com/online/2008/06/re ... xperience/

PELICANSFAN · Post #2 » by **PELICANSFAN** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:47 pm

Kidd just thinks everything should revolve around him. He did not like Scott either and got him fired in New Jersey. He seems to be doing OK now and Kidd is simply an old overpaid shadow of his former self. That trade was terrible for the Mavs.

cdubbz · Post #3 » by **cdubbz** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:13 pm

I think its funny because Kidd is a much better player than avery johnson ever was and it must be somewhat weird being coached by a player you played against that wasnt a top-tier player.

SunTzuMachiavelli · Post #4 » by **SunTzuMachiavelli** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:44 pm

cdubbz wrote:I think its funny because Kidd is a much better player than avery johnson ever was and it must be somewhat weird being coached by a player you played against that wasnt a top-tier player.

I don't see why that's weird. Isiah Thomas is better than any player he ever coached, does that make him good?

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #5 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:51 pm

Kidd even had problems with Byron and he took them to the finals. No wonder kidd will never win a ring and maybe he did beat joumana.

Cevap · Post #6 » by **Cevap** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:33 pm

"Avery was crazy, I mean the guy is still married!!!! And he doesn't even check his wife with a back hand?!? What's up with that?"-JKIDD

halfHAVOC · Post #7 » by **halfHAVOC** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:35 pm

CITYOFANGELSX3 wrote:Kidd even had problems with Byron and he took them to the finals. No wonder kidd will never win a ring and maybe he did beat joumana.

nah it was KIDD that got them to the finals

are you kidding me all he had was kmart , his other best players were friggin kvh and kerry kittles, tehy didn't have that one guy that could take over on offense and kidd had to do that alot.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #8 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:45 pm

this isn't a big deal, because Kidd didn't say anything while Avery was there..this is actually a good sign for Kidd, because a number of players would have clashed with the coach at the time..good move by him to wait until Avery was gone..

he's clearly right..the Mavs waste part of their future to acquire Kidd, but the coach doesn't make a system that runs around him? stupidity..it's not like Dirk would have regressed if the system ran through Kidd, Dirk's a top 10 player..he can adjust..

A-Town Connection · Post #9 » by **A-Town Connection** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:45 pm

I agree with you Harlem. People that actually watched the Mavs realized that Avery made Kidd nothing more than a weak side shooter( def. not his strength). When we played horrible teams, he gave Kidd control and you could see so in how the offense was ran. Against the better teams, he always relied on his system of ISO's. Kidd did horrible in that system. If Rick lets him have more control, Dallas should be better than how they played at the end of last year.

Manocad · Post #10 » by **Manocad** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 12:52 am

Cevap wrote:"Avery was crazy, I mean the guy is still married!!!! And he doesn't even check his wife with a back hand?!? What's up with that?"-JKIDD

LOL...wow, that's strong.

icewill36 · Post #11 » by **icewill36** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 1:50 am

kidd just isn't a fit for that mav team. he is only really effective in a team that gets up and down. avery cut out all that run and gun BS because he wanted to focus on being a better defensive team, which is what got them to the finals. the mavs were better off with harris, then they had 4 guys in the starting lineup who could create their shot and gave other teams fits.

SheedsWeed · Post #12 » by **SheedsWeed** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:54 am

aha Kidd sounds real egotistical. Avery was the same "crazy" guy that got the Mavs what, 70 wins, and pretty much got them to the finals. Kidd needs to shut up.

GuyClinch · Post #13 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:57 am

Kidd is the most overrated player of his generation. PG's who can't shoot are not great players. End of story..

halfHAVOC · Post #14 » by **halfHAVOC** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:59 am

GuyClinch wrote:Kidd is the most overrated player of his generation. PG's who can't shoot are not great players. End of story..

you might be the dumbest person alive.

Post #15 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:03 am

SheedsWeed wrote:aha Kidd sounds real egotistical. Avery was the same "crazy" guy that got the Mavs what, 70 wins, and pretty much got them to the finals. Kidd needs to shut up.

the mavs got to the finals b/c of dirk and terry, avery had crap to do with it other then letting devin harris start in the san antonio series, he's a good motivator but has no idea how to run an offense

Teddy KGB · Post #16 » by **Teddy KGB** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:16 am

I really don't think that Kidd should be b*tching about a guy who is already gone from Dallas. He should have just let the past be the past, at least until he leads us to a championship because other than that Avery delivered everything here.

Then again, I'm one of the few Mavs fans who actually respects AJ and what he accomplished here in Dallas and is thankful of him.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #17 » by **Buck You** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:55 am

GuyClinch wrote:Kidd is the most overrated player of his generation. PG's who can't shoot are not great players. End of story..

HarlemHeat37 · Post #18 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:02 am

I actually think it's more impressive that Kidd couldn't shoot..EVERY team knew that he couldn't, yet he was still a dominant player..took 2 teams to the finals with average supporting casts, and finished #2 in MVP voting one year, despite the other team KNOWING he can't beat them with his shot..impressive IMO..

andykeikei · Post #19 » by **andykeikei** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 8:15 am

HarlemHeat37 wrote:I actually think it's more impressive that Kidd couldn't shoot..EVERY team knew that he couldn't, yet he was still a dominant player..took 2 teams to the finals with average supporting casts, and finished #2 in MVP voting one year, despite the other team KNOWING he can't beat them with his shot..impressive IMO..

Same here, it just tells you that how great his playmaking skills is

Post #20 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 9:24 am

Kidd has, and I think it's by a fairly large margin, the best natural court vision of this generation, and of anyone since Magic retired, he can't shoot the ball, and is hardly an offensive threat at all, yet he can continually get guys good looks and open shots, and he is wonderful on the break.

Kidd was a horrible fit in Avery's offense, let the guy push the ball, he's an all time great at it, even at his age.