Raptors Looking at Trades and Free Agents?

[jlove_26]

Hopefully BC is working these issues with Phoenix.

The Toronto Raptors are preparing to hold their 2008-09 training camp at Carleton University, pending the finalization of a deal between the NBA team and the school, sources confirmed yesterday. In Phoenix working on more immediate issues such as trades and free agents, Raptors president/GM Bryan Colangelo did not return calls from the Ottawa Sun. Ottawa Sun

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

[TASTIC]

Don't think this needs a new topic mate...I mean just cos he's IN Phoenix doesn't mean he's dealing with us...but anyway

[NashtyNas]

^ Tastic, you're always right. LOL.

OT: I came up with a couple trade ideas that helps all teams get what they want:

3-WAY:
Suns trade Boris Diaw for Stephen Jackson.
GSW trades Stephen Jackson and Kosta Perovic for Kirk Hinrich and JamesOn Curry.
Chicago trades Kirk Hinrich and JamesOn Curry for Kosta Perovic and Boris Diaw.

2-WAY:
Suns trade Leandro Barbosa and a future first rounder for Desmond Mason and Ramon Sessions.
Bucks trade Ramon Sessions and Desmond Mason for Barbosa and Future First.

We get some very important pieces, and cut 2million in cap (4 because we are over luxtax).
We can sign Skinner and 2 more minimum guys to fill out our roster. Id go with Skinner, Giriceck, and a C.
Roster:
Nash/Sessions/Strawberry
Bell/Mason/Tucker
Jackson/Hill/Tucker
Stoudemire/Skinner
Shaq/Lopez

[eastsidecrossover]

I would not mind Jackson. YOu know, the suns actually drafted him in the 2nd rd. No way I touch that 2-way trade sd1306. bad trade idea. The other one is not bad.

but to the topic, I don't think this rumor has anything to do with the suns. Maybe it does. He used to live in phx, so I don't think that means much that he is visiting here.

[NashtyNas]

eastside, i completely disagree that the 2nd one is bad. For one, we get the slasher we need, because we all know we lack one (other than hill). If he doesnt work, he expires next season anyways. We also pick up a VERY solid PG. This guy avgd 15-15-6 at the end of the season in like 7 games (he played 16 total last season). Thats some amazing play, and he may not be a 15-15-6 guy over a season, but as a backup with 20 mpg, he could easily be a 8-6-2 guy with 1 TO and on 45FG% + 403PT%. Mason would also increase our free throw attempts if he gets burn, which we desperately need.

[BringinDaRuckus]

Heard Sessions Defense is worse than Nash's. Just saying.

[walkingart]

eastside, i completely disagree that the 2nd one is bad. For one, we get the slasher we need, because we all know we lack one (other than hill). If he doesnt work, he expires next season anyways. We also pick up a VERY solid PG. This guy avgd 15-15-6 at the end of the season in like 7 games (he played 16 total last season). Thats some amazing play, and he may not be a 15-15-6 guy over a season, but as a backup with 20 mpg, he could easily be a 8-6-2 guy with 1 TO and on 45FG% + 403PT%. Mason would also increase our free throw attempts if he gets burn, which we desperately need.

You are taking a big risk on Sessions and Mason. Barbs averaged over 20 points a game as a starter last season, and you are willing to trade him for an expiring and I a guy who has had "like" 7 good games! Barbs is on a good contract, there is no reason to move him, just to move him.

Barbs shouldn't be moved unless he brings back a starter at the 2 or 3 for us. None of this potential crap! No Julius Hodges, no Ramon Sessions, no Desmond Masons! The idea of making a trade is to get better. The only way we can get better by moving Barbs is by adding a legitimate starter, and moving Bell or Hill to the bench to be our new 6th man. There are no 6th man candidates out there who are available for us that are going to be more successful than Barbosa. If we can move him to a team that has an abundance of guys at the wing, that would be ideal. No bringing in guys who didn't start on a non-playoff team to replace Barbs, or two bench players for him for that matter.

Didn't you suggest Stephen Jackson for Barbs straight up on the general forum? Maybe it was someone else. Anyhow, we have Barbs value being set as a staight up deal for Jackson, or for Webster, a filler, and a 2nd rounder or for Maggette and then you have the audacity to defend Sessions and Mason with us adding a future first, SERIOUSLY? What year would that be, 2012? Or would we call it future considerations and send our 2009 pick to them after we drafted. I don't mean to hate so much, but aren't we still in a win now situation? And essentially what you are saying is Barbs is not even worth Sessions, since you have Mason walking when his contract expires and you have us including a pick.

And the kicker is if you are right about Sessions, and he puts up good numbers, we probably wouldn't resign him either, for he will be an unrestriced free agent after this season. So, that would leave things at Barbs + 1st rounder for nothing!

And I don't even want to start on his 3PT%, you do realize he only took 7 shots from behind the arc. Meaning Barbs has taken almost 1400 more threes in NBA games than him, and done so at an impressive clip, 41%. Plus, Barbs is only 25.

And then, just one more point, you disregarded DJ and Tucks play in the DLeague because they didn't play there for an entire season, despite doing things while there, that NONE of the player you suggested bringing in could have done for a 5 game stretch(check out the box scores, if you take Hodges best 5 games his numbers are still not as good as DJ or Tucks). And then in this post, you applaud Sessions for a 7 game stretch. Leaving out that the Bucks got blown or beat in all the games and he was not playing elite competition, may as well have been in the DLeague for all its worth!

[NashtyNas]

You say you dont mean to hate, and then you go on about it. First, why the hell would GS do SJax for Barbosa straight up, and why would $arver take on another million? Second, Barbosa is the odd man out because we want to add a backup PG and a slasher younger than Hill, not that he has to start, just take minutes away from Hill and/or Bell. This deal gives us both, and if he doesnt work and we want to blow it up, both expire next season and we could still get Sessions to resign for half of MLE if he produces (he would more than likely stay to play under Nash, which d-LEAGUE PG wouldnt?). About Sessions, i didnt say he is an amazing 3PT shooter or anything of such shorts, but as a backup could easily get 403PT% if he gets 20mpg. Also, i only said "like" 7 because i knew it was between 5 and 7 game stretch, just wasnt sure of the exact number. You are way too close minded. Sessions could be made into a Stuckey in no time. He is pretty much same physically and if he improved his defence under Porter, which he most likely would, he is what we need to backup nash. Size, defence, and a good offensive game. Im not saying barbs is notgoing to improve his d under Porter, but sessions is younger and hasnt accomplished as much as barbs and hes got things to prove while barbs hasnt got much to prove. And btw, i didnt post the barbs for sjax thing.

[Frank Lee]

Why is it that so many have given up on Barbososo at PG ? I believe with a new offensive scheme where he is not asked to be the main 'Nash-like' facilitator he will do fine. Put the ball in Diaw's and Hill's hands. Pound it low to Shaq and Amare.

GD, this kid can still drop 15 pts in a few minutes any given day. His D should improve. All that you read of him smells of dedication, commitment, desire to learn.... Much like Amare, he has focussed on offense. Yet, I do not hear the same clammoring to trade one dimensional Stat. Everyone is so GD certain Amare will improve his D. But few believe Barbososo will ?

Its a pity that he is practically our ONLY tradable asset, and thus, his name is tossed around in every attempt to make up for the ineptitude of our past transactions. How one can have faith in any deal this Front Orfice constructs is beyond me. Being able to do nothing may be the best thing Kerrveball does this yr.

Keep the Brazilian Blurb... he will only get better. Why insist on getting 75 cents on the 'real' (brazilian currency)

[walkingart]

sd1306, when I say I don't mean to hate; it was more as I didn't want to hate on "you" in particular, and I didn't want you to take my opinion as being personal.

I apologize for the SJax for Barbs, it was from a GSW fan; and there consensus is that it is a fair deal. I think Jax is much more valuable personally, but the consensus from GS fans is that it is fair.

You are right, we need to upgrade at backup PG, and at the wing. But trading a guy + a future first for two guys whose combined stats don't match the player you are trading is just ridiculous. And yes, Sessions is young, but Barbs is only 25. And you are wrong about him resigning, if he came out and played as well as you anticipated, he would at the very least get the full MLE as a FA. Oddly, if Barbs was a FA next offseason, he would get between a few million more than he is slated for currently.

What makes me angry, is that we go from ideas where Barbs is being moved for a legit starter in the league to deals like yours...there is no reason to just give up on him and take any deal we can get.

Frank doesn't post nearly often enough, while I may not agree with all that he has to offer, he has well thought out opinions; and in this case he is absolutely right, we shouldn't take a deal where we only get back 75 cents for each 1.6 BRL.