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Re: Tinsley trade idea. 

Post#21 » by Hoops23 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:22 am

A report/news in the past says, the Pacer is considering buying out the contract of Tinsley. If that is the case, isn't it better to trade him for a crap who's contract is cheaper than Tinsley has?

IMO, Tinsley for Kenny Thomas is not a bad deal.

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Post#22 » by joew8302 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:28 am

I really do believe Tinsley will be either traded or bought out. Granted Indiana doesn't like to buy players out, but Tinsley is such a cancer we really do not have much choice.
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Post#23 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:09 am

I'd really like to do a Tinsley/Daniels/Williams for Kenny Thomas, either Shelden Williams or Francisco Garcia, and then any filler not named SAR, though, I might ultimately be convinced with a couple of 2nd rounders as well coming back our way.

In fact, the closest I can come is a Tinsley/Daniels/Williams for Thomas/SAR/either Shelden or Garcia (Sacramento's choice, though I'd prefer Garcia I think), and 2 future 2nd round picks.
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Post#24 » by clown60hacker » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:16 am

I would rather trade J.T. for MOORE or SHAREEF than THOMAS They make less money and Moore only has one year left. I would not trade Daniels for any deal unless its a star - his contract expireds at end of year.
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Post#25 » by CableKC » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:17 pm

notque wrote:Tinsley for Eric Snow, and a pick?

Why would this trade not work out for everyone?

Yes...in terms of players.....Tinsley is clearly the better PG option over Snow.....but he is not good enough to justify paying the additional $18+ mil ( the difference in the guaranteed $21.5 mil that Tinsley is owed and the $3.5 mil.....the amount of Snow's retired contract....counts towards the cap ) that is owed to him to acquire his services.

With Tinsley's injury history and reported on/off court issues.....AT BEST....we can expect trading our bad apples for their bad apples where both contracts are the same in terms of size and length.

Expecting the Pacers to come out ahead in this deal is unrealistic....even if we include sweetner like Shawne.
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Post#26 » by notque » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:34 pm

If I were Cleveland, and looking at needing to win a championship to have any shot at having Lebron stay, I would trade Tinsley for Eric Snow in a heart beat. I'd add a first rounder since it would be late, protected, and likely not seriously help in the time it would take to keep Lebron.

I think this is an absolute slam dunk for both teams, I'm surprised the reaction is as mixed as it is.

To get a player the caliber of Tinsley for basically nothing, and have him go to a team that needs just a couple pieces to win a championship is so huge, it's not funny.

Tinsley is an amazing player. No joke about that.

I don't know. Seems like a really easy deal to me.
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Post#27 » by cdash » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:48 pm

notque wrote:If I were Cleveland, and looking at needing to win a championship to have any shot at having Lebron stay, I would trade Tinsley for Eric Snow in a heart beat. I'd add a first rounder since it would be late, protected, and likely not seriously help in the time it would take to keep Lebron.

I think this is an absolute slam dunk for both teams, I'm surprised the reaction is as mixed as it is.

To get a player the caliber of Tinsley for basically nothing, and have him go to a team that needs just a couple pieces to win a championship is so huge, it's not funny.

Tinsley is an amazing player. No joke about that.

I don't know. Seems like a really easy deal to me.


Ehhh....amazing player? Tinsley? Agree to disagree there man.
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Post#28 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:50 am

notque wrote:If I were Cleveland, and looking at needing to win a championship to have any shot at having Lebron stay, I would trade Tinsley for Eric Snow in a heart beat. I'd add a first rounder since it would be late, protected, and likely not seriously help in the time it would take to keep Lebron.

I think this is an absolute slam dunk for both teams, I'm surprised the reaction is as mixed as it is.


To get a player the caliber of Tinsley for basically nothing, and have him go to a team that needs just a couple pieces to win a championship is so huge, it's not funny.



I don't know. Seems like a really easy deal to me.



you know it would be a slam dunk if it weren't for the luxury tax, they would be happy to give us a pick or 2 with Snow for jt. yes the Cavs want to win and win a title to make james happy, but how much money can a team spend trying? The luxury tax is brutal and the Cavs are way over it. if we could find a way to give the Cavs some savings on the tax they might do something, but they are at $87 million not counting delonte West. So they are gonna be paying the differnce between the tax level, let's say $70 million and $93 million or so with West. That's $23 million in tax and losing out on the rebate, not to mention the free football phone. :lol: That's gotta bite even if you are a millionaire like their owners. it just so happens that Dan Gilbert the main owner of the Cavs is worth about $478 million and the team is worth about $455 million the difference is right at $23 million

So if we could send them Jt and take back say $2 million in extra salary it would save the Cavs something like $4 million in tax, but trading Snow who if he retires hits the tax for about half his current salary will cost the team in effect $7 ot $8 million. So they won't be trading Snow. Like Scoot said they might do Damon jones and those other guys.

I'm gonna use some of my creative financing that i learned all those years of doing shady sub-prime mortgages here. What if we gave the Cavs Rasho Nesterovic and jamaal? That would be $8,400,000 +$6,750,000= $15,150,000 for Wally $13,775,000 and Joe Smith $4,795,000 = $18,570,000 well within the 25% rule. This saves the Cavs about $3.4 million on their cap and $6.8 million total with the tax. Now we'd have to wait until Rashos trade restriction expires and would the Cavs be willing to take on JT to save some money on this yrs Tax? Would Rasho being an exp contract be of more value on the court to them than Wally? Could we take on that extra $3.4 million and risk going over the cap? Could we make another deal to move Daniels to some team for less comming back to get under the cap and get the rebate? :-?
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Post#29 » by khensley308 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:55 am

As long as we get rid of Jamaal I will be a very happy camper.

Everywhere else I believe we are sufficient, the guys we have can play ball and we are a very young team now that we got rid of JO.... But will JO play well in Toronto along side Bosh, it seems like as soon as we get rid of somebody they start playing great. Just look at the Peja trade.
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Post#30 » by cdash » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:09 am

khensley308 wrote:As long as we get rid of Jamaal I will be a very happy camper.

Everywhere else I believe we are sufficient, the guys we have can play ball and we are a very young team now that we got rid of JO.... But will JO play well in Toronto along side Bosh, it seems like as soon as we get rid of somebody they start playing great. Just look at the Peja trade.


First off, welcome to the board. Second, we didnt trade Peja. He was a free agent and we just let him sign elsewhere. He missed most of the season after we let him walk too, so I'd say that was a wise move.

I think JO will play well alongside Bosh though. Playing next to Bosh will let him focus more on defense and keep double teams away from him on offense. Honestly, I hope he does well and stays healthy there.
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Re: Tinsley trade idea. 

Post#31 » by DannyGranger » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:56 am

Wizop wrote:Shawne is available in any Tinsley trade. teams are countering with Foster and we're standing firm for now.

where did you head that from? Do you have a source?
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Re: Tinsley trade idea. 

Post#32 » by DannyGranger » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:08 am

cdash wrote:
khensley308 wrote:As long as we get rid of Jamaal I will be a very happy camper.

Everywhere else I believe we are sufficient, the guys we have can play ball and we are a very young team now that we got rid of JO.... But will JO play well in Toronto along side Bosh, it seems like as soon as we get rid of somebody they start playing great. Just look at the Peja trade.


First off, welcome to the board. Second, we didnt trade Peja. He was a free agent and we just let him sign elsewhere. He missed most of the season after we let him walk too, so I'd say that was a wise move.

I think JO will play well alongside Bosh though. Playing next to Bosh will let him focus more on defense and keep double teams away from him on offense. Honestly, I hope he does well and stays healthy there.

we actually did trade Peja for cash.
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Re: Tinsley trade idea. 

Post#33 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:19 am

DannyGranger wrote:we actually did trade Peja for cash.



That's not exactly right we traded in a sign and trade with the Hornets after they signed him they basically gave us a trade exception and Andrew Betts, since you have to trade for somethng of value they gave us Betts who will probably never play in the NBA. We could have just let paja walk but the TE allowed us to trade with the Hawks to get Al Harrington. Question in my mind has always been why did the hornets do that because they were way under the cap?? I think it was a favor to bird.
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Re: Tinsley trade idea. 

Post#34 » by cdash » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:16 am

That's right, I forgot about the immortal Andrew Betts. I stand corrected.

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