OT: Does Matt Carroll have more value than Scalabrine?

[MalReyn]

^^^ Scal would own anyone on this board one on one. In fact I would be kinda surprised if anyone got 2 points on him. Okay Scal isn't the greatest NBA player but your badly understimating the skill of NBA players.

It's like some of my tennis buddies who think they could take advantage of Andy Roddick's bad volley's LMAO. If you played Scal one on one not only would he own you but it would feel like he was playing a different game then you.. <g>

Remember, the most talented individuals definitely do not always make it to the NBA. The NBA has a huge need for role players, so often very talented players who are mainly scorers get left out.

While I don't know if anyone on this board could take Scal (my guess would be not) I have no doubt that a good amount of D1 NCAA players could take him 1-on-1, especially faster/more athletic players who might be shorter but could get around him. 1-on-1 skills however do not translate to NBA skills.

[sully00]

To be fair to Scal he was an NCAA All American and was a beast of a player in the Pac 10. He is also a legit 6'9." I think he would surprise you even if he is an awful NBA player to watch.

That said Matt Carroll is actually a good player who is a fine value at AAV of 4.5 mil and has diminishing contract at the end of his deal he is making 3.5 mil bucks. He is who he is and there aren't many better than him at it.

I am not a fan of Williams at all I don't think the kid is coachable. He is going to do what he does and just doesn't listen. This is a something for nothing trade for NJ if they can pull it off. Williams will make LB's head explode.

[Celtics_Champs]

Wow we obviously have some end of the bench type ballers in this forum. I'm impressed.

Who cares if LBJ lost at Horse. To people saying well I'm faster and I'd just run circles around him......that's funny

Scal is what 6'8"? He would just swat everything you threw up and would just back you down and just lay it in. He wouldn't have to do much.

Yes he sucks compared to an average NBA player, in fact he's one of the worst.

Nah, I don't play basketball. Didn't play in high school. I just shoot around sometimes. Not even that often.

^^^ Scal would own anyone on this board one on one. In fact I would be kinda surprised if anyone got 2 points on him. Okay Scal isn't the greatest NBA player but your badly understimating the skill of NBA players.

It's like some of my tennis buddies who think they could take advantage of Andy Roddick's bad volley's LMAO. If you played Scal one on one not only would he own you but it would feel like he was playing a different game then you.. <g>

Lol, your comparing my saying of beating scal in hoops, to your buddies saying they could beat A-Rod...really? A-rod is one of the best tennis players in the world, scal is a scrub who is past his prime.

Geez guys, stop hating. All I meant to do was bash on scal.

Anyway, they have a show for this. It's called pro's vs joes. So when they get scal on there, I will be the first one to sign up.

Oh and if your reading this saying, man this guy is a scal hater, he is damn annoying. Think of that the next time you write a negative post about a hall of famer in Ray Allen.

[rambo_ortega]

scal for carroll is bad for us salary wise and the length of his contract being longer than the ones of kg and pp.

on the other hand, i would be all for that pruitt&POB for sean williams

[GuyClinch]

While I don't know if anyone on this board could take Scal (my guess would be not) I have no doubt that a good amount of D1 NCAA players could take him 1-on-1, especially faster/more athletic players who might be shorter but could get around him. 1-on-1 skills however do not translate to NBA skills.

It's probably not even a "good amount" you go to remember that not only was Scal among the best NCAA players (all-american) he has had a bunch of years to dedicate solely to basketball. That's something to think about.

If you had a trainer, coaches, video guy etc all helping you at ANY sport for 6 or 7 years you would get a heck of alot better. So Scal would OWN most of those guys. Out of all the guys in the NCAA only a few make it to the NBA or NBDL. It's like watching Ricky Davis light up those West coast summer league teams for 50+ points a game...

Scal might suck by NBA standards but he is still in the top 1000 basketball players in the world. Do we have one of those guys reading the board? I doubt it.

Pete

[Prophet_C]

^^^ Scal would own anyone on this board one on one. In fact I would be kinda surprised if anyone got 2 points on him. Okay Scal isn't the greatest NBA player but your badly understimating the skill of NBA players.

It's like some of my tennis buddies who think they could take advantage of Andy Roddick's bad volley's LMAO. If you played Scal one on one not only would he own you but it would feel like he was playing a different game then you.. <g>

Word!

[Celtics_Champs]

You two are taking it too seriously. Me saying that, was just a joke about how much I dislike Scal. MyInstatiableone, hiphop, and greenbeans got it. And they began to joke about how bad he is too. Do you truly think I would place a bet on half of this board?? Come on...

Plus, you guys are looking up to basketball players like they are these mythical heroes. And they could never be beat. Everyone has an off day... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysv3v7uXblw

That guy obviously balls, but my point is just because you play in the NBA doesn't mean you could dominate everyone and anyone at any time.

[Celtics_Champs]

This vid just came out...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,121987

It's more proof that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dk7Il3EqI0

[campybatman]

They'll probably move Morrison, if healthy, sooner than Carroll. Because the former (his) contract isn't bad as an after season dump. While the latter's contract could make a team cringe. I can't see why the Nets would be willing to take him. He and Gerald Wallace combined in salaries are too much to take on if A) Neither is worth the salary they've be given and B) You're a team trying to get under the cap for a possible significant signing of a 2010 free agent.

The Nets continue to be in trade discussions with Charlotte, which is desperate for frontcourt help, but they don't have the expendable post player Larry Brown wants. The Bobcats are willing to part with Gerald Wallace for a player of consequence, but are more actively pushing Matt Carroll or Adam Morrison, mindful that the Nets are shooter-crazy these days.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/1 ... ks_on.html

[MyInsatiableOne]

:sigh:

You two are taking it too seriously. Me saying that, was just a joke about how much I dislike Scal. MyInstatiableone, hiphop, and greenbeans got it. And they began to joke about how bad he is too. Do you truly think I would place a bet on half of this board?? Come on...

Plus, you guys are looking up to basketball players like they are these mythical heroes. And they could never be beat. Everyone has an off day... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysv3v7uXblw

That guy obviously balls, but my point is just because you play in the NBA doesn't mean you could dominate everyone and anyone at any time.

No kidding, the joke was lost a while ago, I guess...

OBVIOUSLY Scal would beat me in 1-on-1...yes, I'm 6'5" and actually really good at hoops, but I'm no pro and haven't been doing it my whole life or for a living...Scal would crush me. The point is, Scal isn't playing everyday joes, he's playing in the NBA and there, relative to the rest of the talent, he's not very good (although I give him props for hitting a couple of big shots against NYK the other night)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Any chance we could pick up Adam Morrison? For Scal + Baby and a 1st? We'd get a young player who can score off the bench as a 3

[greenbeans]

Here's a trade with Charlotte everyone will hate but I'd hop at the chance:
Morrison+Dudley
for
Scalabrine+Powe+WalkerORGiddens+2nd rder

[campybatman]

Any chance we could pick up Adam Morrison? For Scal + Baby and a 1st? We'd get a young player who can score off the bench as a 3

Morrison can't defend and isn't that strong but he moves well enough without the ball that he's probably someone you've to guard against coming off screens. The first round pick will likely be lottery protected so it might be traded away later. I might do this if Charlotte were interested... But, how much could Morrison help this season? All he seems to be able to do is score.

Another idea could be Morrison and Felton in exchange for Scalabrine, House, Davis and Pruitt after December 15 sometime.

[Pogue Mahone]

Morrison is garbage, no thanks. I would only do a Carroll deal if he was to fill a specific role.

[campybatman]

You would likely be dealing with Morrison for this season with an expiring contract next season. But, then you could simply keep Scalabrine.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Any chance we could pick up Adam Morrison? For Scal + Baby and a 1st? We'd get a young player who can score off the bench as a 3

Morrison can't defend and isn't that strong but he moves well enough without the ball that he's probably someone you've to guard against coming off screens. The first round pick will likely be lottery protected so it might be traded away later. I might do this if Charlotte were interested... But, how much could Morrison help this season? All he seems to be able to do is score.

Another idea could be Morrison and Felton in exchange for Scalabrine, House, Davis and Pruitt after December 15 sometime.

Would Charlotte bail on two lottery picks for our junk? Morrison would help this season as a shooter off the bench, I don't think he could do much else (who knows?) but he'd fill that role well.

[sox839]

Here is the deal with Scl he ws pretty decent in college he vg like 17pts nd 6 boards his senior year. He was never big time rebounder in college. Scal has some ttributes that fit well with this team. He will do whatever the coaches ask. If you had a brick wall and doc said run through it even if it was 50 ft thick he would do it. Also you read his quotes in the paper he says all the right things like being ready to get in whether it is for 10 minutes or one minute. Like in the New York, milwaukee games that is the scal I want to see. Also scal is the ninth or tenth man depending on who were playing. I woud rather have vet on the end of the bench than a rookie. Scal compares to number of players who have been on nba rosters like sott padgett, walter mccarty, matt bullard, ryan bowen. Mcarty and scal are very similiar stat wise but mccarty got more minutes he played on bad teams. Scal also gets a lot of flak because hes white but he is not the worst player in the nba. If you look back on nba teams that won the title in the 10 to 15 years I would say jud buechler who played spot minutes for the chicago bulls championship teams of the late 90's is similar to scal for role players on title teams. Also scal is a much better player than greg kite ever was if we want to compare celtic role players. Greg kite was not very good in college at byu look up his stats but he managed to stick around. Scal is going to have a good season and surprise us all. Scal is the modern version of ml carr he isn't as good as Ml but has a similiar role.