Marion

Mourning_Heat_33 · Post #21 » by **Mourning_Heat_33** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:23 pm

As far as the Marion for Wally, Varejauao trade goes, I really don't see why either team would want to do it.

Yes they are both expiring contracts, but Marion's is expiring anyways. Marion isn't putting up his usual 18 and 10, but he's one of Miami's better defenders and rebounders. From what I know, Wally isn't the same player who could score 15+ consistently and hit outside shots anymore for 30 minutes a game. If he can do that and play some defense, and Cleveland takes one of Miami's smaller but longer contracts like Banks, then I say do it.

As far as the Cavs go, I know nothing about the Cavs except I think you recently went on a huge win streak. You seem to have most parts figured out, which shouldn't be too much of an issue for a team with LeBron James, who can play pretty much any position, including PG and can do it all. So I don't know why you would do this trade, unless you need help rebounding, with perimeter defense and want another guy to run fast breaks with LeBron. In that case, then Marion makes sense. I could also see his numbers going right back up to 18 and 10. Also, he could help you with Garnett in the playoffs. One more thing, Miami plays half-court style mostly, leaving not much room for Marion to do what he does best, hence the decrease in his scoring numbers. If that sounds like Cleveland's style, then maybe this isn't the trade for you.

Post #22 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:38 pm

I truly wish people would stop making up deals with Snow in them. Snow is not going to be traded. He's going off the books as a medical retirement. They are not going to trade him and take on salary. It's not going to happen.

cavsfan#1 · Post #23 » by **cavsfan#1** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:45 pm

All the injury exception does is allow us to not pay the luxury tax and guess what we are doing that anyways.
The medical exception has not happened, and who knows how long those things take.
If it can help our team then I say we do it. Our owner ha repeatedly said he will pay the luxury tax to help this team win.

I understand not wanting to ruin chemistry, but if we don't win it all James is gonna peace and then who cares if we saved big on that snow injury, come on

InBoobieWeTrust · Post #24 » by **InBoobieWeTrust** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:55 pm

The medical exception will happen after the 41st game is played this season. It's a done deal, Snow is not going to be traded.He wouldn't be able to pass a physical anyways. His 7 million coming off the books in essence saves Gilbert 12-14 million. He's not going to be traded.

cavsfan#1 · Post #25 » by **cavsfan#1** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:59 pm

correction, medical exception takes 80% of his pay off our hands... we have to wait a year until we diagnosed him with the injury.

Meanwhile he is getting paid to wear a suit n tie for NBA TV. so what are we really saving on? by the time we get the injury exception or whatever we will have already paid him so much that we will be saving 80% on a much smaller amount than the money his contract is worth in his last year here.

cavsfan#1 · Post #26 » by **cavsfan#1** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:00 pm

Unless I am wrong you are allowed to trade injured players as long as the injury is disclosed to the other team, i.e. jamal mashburn a few years back

mg · Post #27 » by mg » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:30 pm

I was a huge Matrix fan when he was running with Nash and the boys in PHX but he is NOT a halfcourt player. I remember the Spurs used to shut down Marion every time in the playoffs and Boston would probably do the same thing. The Cavs need to hang on to their frontcourt length and if anything should be looking to add another big if they want to get by the Celtics in the playoffs. Right now the Cavaliers can throw Big Ben, Z and Varejao out there to defend KG which is a reason I believe the Cavs have a shot to win the EC. Not to mention Andy is the only young big who can be counted on right now.

vct33 · Post #28 » by **vct33** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:51 pm

The only real problem I would have with this deal is that it doesn't help the Cavs next year. I want them to trade Wally for somebody who will be around to give LeBron a chance to win this year and next. That's not Marion unless the Cavs plan to resign him and I don't see that happening. I can't see wasting Wally's contract on a one-shot deal.

kiwibrindle · Post #29 » by **kiwibrindle** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:54 pm

No way the cavs do this. Andy is our only big who's young. The only way Andy goes if Haslem comes back somehow and a number one for snow

Post #30 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:26 am

It really doesn't make sense for me even if they included Haslem (which they won't). That just gives us more PF's while thinning our depth at C.

Niko23 · Post #31 » by **Niko23** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:27 am

This trade is like trying to date the girl who just took your virginity........both screwed from the start

rjgraca · Post #32 » by **rjgraca** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:38 am

Varejao is a solid big entering his prime while Marion is a declining athletic pretend PF.

When I saw that the certain ethnic guy from Yahoo wrote it... I knew it was a agent generated rumor because it really doesn't make sense for the CAVs as Brian Windhorst wrote in his blog:

Right now the Cavs are not sure what they want to do but they don't want to mess with this team's chemistry. They are considering their options, but history tells us that teams don't really get serious about trading for expiring contracts (which is what the Cavs have to use) until near the trading deadline. That is a long way away and options will be discussed for those months.

What the Cavs need is another big man and Marion isn't a big man and Varejao is. So if they made such a deal they'd be in worse shape. Which is why I said before, it doesn't make much sense.

Also, if the Cavs are going to use Wally Szczerbiak's contract they are going to go for a home run. This next trade very well may be the most important in Cavs history. So it has to be just right. I will write about this a lot more in the coming weeks, just know that right now this rumor isn't true.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavsbeat/

Which Players Have Risen Or Fallen The Most Since Last Season?

Biggest Drops

- Shawn Marion: -4.3 (13.5, 17.8)

Marion forced his way out of Phoenix and hasn't demonstrated much besides the fact that he is aging wing that was largely a product of a high octane system that suited him well. He is scoring with nearly the kind of efficiency as he did with the Suns, and he also isn't performing as well on the glass or as a defender.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_fromth ... st_season/

tundraknight · Post #33 » by **tundraknight** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:40 am

The rumor is false so everyone can relax.

Post #34 » by **Rise Against** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:16 am

I am glad it's false. That trade didn't make any sense for the Cavs at all. There is no way we are going to trade Varejao for a fake PF who doesn't mesh well with LeBron. Yet, we should be saving our expiring for something else.

Baseline Runner · Post #35 » by **Baseline Runner** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:13 am

I was saying Marion was vastly overrated before he left Phoenix and lots of Cavs fans wanted him. I'm glad Cleveland didn't go after him

Post #36 » by **B Mac** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:18 am

Thank God this has been shot down by multiple sources, although I really never had any doubt it would be.

Gordon Bombay · Post #37 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:43 am

wow they got some crazy trade proposals going on the heat board...they really overvalue marion

mg · Post #38 » by mg » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:52 am

I think the Heat fans want a nice package back for Matrix the same way we want a nice player(s) back for Wally. The difference is the Heat apparently don't want to take back any contracts that run past 2010 which severely limits their trade options.

Reading between the lines it sounds like Marion is not an option unless the Cavs trade away Fegan's other client, Varejao. Apparently the Cavs have no intention of trading Andy at this time.

kiwibrindle · Post #39 » by **kiwibrindle** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:03 pm

Windhorst last night on KNR also said one other great comment. With only two years to go in LBJ's contract, Ferry is not going to make a trade unless its a no brainer like the Mo Williams trade. He still thinks Wally's money will be used to bring someone here, but it has to be a steal.

rjgraca · Post #40 » by **rjgraca** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:20 pm

It's kind of amusing that some writers/posters believe Marion would be a better fit with the CAVs than he is with Heat who both have slower tempo teams. If it was a no brainer deal like the Mo Williams one where the CAVs don't hurt their core... I could see them taking a chance on Marion (for expiring) rental which is why I see him staying with Miami. Kind of like Bibby's value with the Kings -- his current value isn't based on his past glories in a high octane system tailored to inflate offensive numbers.

• Shawn Marion's turn as a star. We wonder if Marion is as thrilled about his move to the slower-paced Heat as he was last season. His scoring (12.3) and rebounding (9.1) haven't been this low since his rookie season in 1999-2000, and he's shooting 22.2 percent from three-point range. We suggest Marion bank a lot of the $17.8 million he'll make this season because he won't be getting close to that next summer when he hits free agency.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... dom.notes/

If you thought the HEAT would be a .500 team this year, you should be throwing some bets down in Vegas. A rookie head coach, no semblance of a big man or point guard, and a Shawn Marion that has severely fallen off, yet the HEAT are still right there in the playoff hunt.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10836