Official Trade Thread (all trade ideas here. No exceptions)

[ALL HAIL]

Vujacic and Mihm to MIL for Bell and Lue.

Farmar and Sun Yue to CHI for Sefolosha.

FISHER
BRYANT
BYNUM
GASOL
ARIZA

LUE
BELL
POWELL
ODOM
SEFOLOSHA

RADMANOVIC
WALTON
MBENGA

[Jajwanda]

Just get Tyronn Lue to put some damn pressure on Farmar that's all I ask at the PG spot.

Go get Alonzo Mourning to toughen up the backup front court and then deal Odom to get Shane Battier. I don't give a damn if Houston gets better I really don't. We'll beat them anyway with Battier around.

[ALL HAIL]

Unfortunately, Houston, IMO would NEVER give us Battier ... unless he were drastically overpaid which he is not.

[Jajwanda]

Shawn Marion is a very very decent alternative to Battier and also he can provide some play at PF. He is very available and Miami would highly consider an Odom-Marion switch.

Even if worst comes to worst he becomes your backup PF, he's about as good as Odom at that spot so who cares really. Just do the damn deal it should have been done months ago.

If Marion can look fairly solid against Kobe he can do the same against Pierce. He also can clearly cut to the basket and can shoot fairly well from the corners. It was the trade that was meant to be for so long just go and do it.

In the post-season you'll be seeing your starters play 36 mpg each. The bench will become less important and time goes on. Boston's bench is very unimpressive talent-wise but they get it done. This random obsession with the bench must stop. Trade Odom and get what you can before you lose him and lose any value he previously had.

[ALL HAIL]

A few problems with that: Where does Miami play Odom? Odom can be resigned by us for probably about 6.5-7 mill. Marion will demand a lot more even if he is not that productive. If we dump Odom let's make sure we actually get something for him as opposed to a six month rental. It would really suck to trade Odom only for Marion to walk in the summer and Odom signs with his new team for 7 million (the same amount that we pay Radmanovic). Ugh!

[Jajwanda]

Miami plays Odom at defensive PF, SF on offense. Brilliant idea. Say screw it to the season to re-sign Odom. He's our only trade-bait.

You can't just pop a productive SF out of nowhere. The only other possibility would be to just say screw it and play Sasha, Ariza, and Kobe consistently which is in fact not all THAT bad of an idea.

[Jajwanda]

So after reviewing the teams with a terrible three-point percentage it comes to this for Radmanovic.

- Cleveland
- Philadelphia
- Golden State
- Minnesota
- Sacramento
- Memphis
- Indiana
- Milwuakee

I'm either looking for a very useful player on a long-term deal or a 2009-2010 expiring to deal elsewhere. Also I'm looking for a team that does not care about 2010 as has planned for the now.

- Cleveland
- Philly
- Golden State

Are the primary teams that may be interested. Sure you may find another fit but these are the main ones.

Cleveland probably wouldn't deal Mo Williams to us for Radmanovic. Also they're holding onto to their expiring contracts to get a much bigger fish than Radmanovic. Golden State is a possibility to be sure.

- They may consider a Maggs for Radmanovic+Mihm deal just to get out from under quite a bit of the cash being sent their way. Also Radmanovic fits very nicely there.

Finally we get to the prime candidate for a deal for Radmanovic, the 76ers.

- Once Brand returns a Reggie Evans deal would be ideal for the 76ers to spread the floor for Igoudala with their backups.

All in all it's bleak but there are possibilities for trading Radmanovic.

[lakeshow248]

Anthony Parker would be a guy that is a Battier type IMO. He is cheaper at 4.5 million and expiring next year. He is 6-6 and has a 3 pt percentage of .430 over the last 3 years. His defense is also really solid, he makes people work hard. I've watched him play a 100 times or more. He is a .800 free throw percentage guy too.

I know Colangelo liked Luke Walton when he was a free agent their awhile back but with the contract now he might pass, unless another player was added to the mix but still the Raps in are the tank right now and Joey Graham is getting more minutes.

I think it is worth a look at considering it is a low risk play, but you get a guy who hustles and can shoot from three.

[bullzman23]

Not sure if this has been proposed, but if Farmar needs surgery, then how about:

Hinrich and Noce for Odom and filler?

The Bulls get the best player in the deal (although, Hinrich and Noce are just as good in their good days), but Lakers get more depth to battle against the C's. Noce would probably be more successful as a bench sparkplug player than Odom, and Hinrich's defensive prowess could be valuable when you face Nash, Paul, Parker, Williams, Rondo, etc in the playoffs.

[Jajwanda]

The problem is the money. Buss has made idiotic mistakes paying Walton and Radmanovic preventing a major influx of cash from coming in.

[lakeshow248]

It looks to me as if the roster will not be changed until the Christmas day game, they want to measure them selves against the Celtics. Which as it has been shown recently will be pretty short to say the least.

For me the team needs that 2nd off the dribble scorer that can get to the rim. Gasol doesn't call for the ball and Bynum wants it but doesn't get it usually. Richard Jefferson would be nice but his contract is for three more years and I think the Odom expiring / Bynum extension will cancel each other out for salary next season leaving the team at the same cap number.

Sure, Farmar is out but outside of a minor move I don't see anything big like most of us are hoping is on the horizon. Something like a Coby Karl call up or Ty Lue pick up is most likely.

And I guess we will be stuck w/ Vlad and Luke with visions of RJ or G Wallace dancing in our head.

[wfiles]

The only trades possible are:
Gerald Wallace
Shawn Marion
Hinrich + Nocioni
Corey Magette or Stephen Jackson when Monta Ellis comes back

We aren't getting Battier, Prince, Butler, Richard Jefferson (too much money).

[Laker at Heart]

I know Detroit wouldnt let him go, but how do you think Sheed would fit into our team? A center that plays good defense and can play from the outside leaving the paint free for Pau & Kobe sounds good in paper.

wfiles -> yeah those sound plausible... I've always been curious about trying to get Hinrich + Noce, shouldnt be too expensive and it addresses our two biggest needs.

[Erik Eleven]

In the post-season you'll be seeing your starters play 36 mpg each. The bench will become less important and time goes on. Boston's bench is very unimpressive talent-wise but they get it done. This random obsession with the bench must stop.

Has it occurred to you that the bench is saving Kobe's legs. Gasol's legs, Bynum's legs? Our starters will also have a better shot at avoiding injuries when the bench is playing big minutes. Phil might be many things, but one of his consistent trademarks through the years has always been to have his teams peaking come playoffs time.

The Celtics are playing hard and playing well, but I question if they can sustain it for a full 82 games without wearing down their starters or getting one of them injured. The bench we have is in that sense key for the playoffs, even if they don't play a minute in the playoffs.

[Jajwanda]

Yes but it doesn't take that much cash to produce a productive bench. Our bench is full of failed starters not guys we paid little for to produce depth.

[Erik Eleven]

I've said all along the I think we should make a trade or two. We need to trade for two bulldog defenders — one PG and one SF.

I just wanted to point out that Celtics road to a historical season (by virtue of KG, PP, RA and Rondo playing heavy minutes all year) might not end up as glorious as projected. And on the flip side of that coin, Phil carefully gauging the minutes of his top five six players will once again prove effective come playoffs time, when he shortens his rotations.

[Jajwanda]

Agreed.

One thing that keeps bothering me is that the Lakers had such an opportunity during Vlad's ski incident to do something very simple. All they had to do was essentially say you've breached this contract, the penalty for this is not some stupid fine which goes back to Buss' pocket book but rather switch his 2010 player option to a team option. With that in mind we could have made serious trades with his contract right around now. Kirk Hinrich for Farmar+Radmanovic could certainly have been in rang and would not have negatively impacted the payroll by much.

[Jajwanda]

The closest I came to trading Radmanovic was for Etan Thomas whose contract ends before 2010. It would have allowed us to trade Thomas+Farmar in a 2010 package trade possibly for a player like a Gerald Wallace, etc...

Unfortunately the Wizards board rejected it, because of cap implications it would bring to their luxury tax problem in 2010. It's tough, the Lakers are sapping whatever good Kobe-Gasol-Bynum have with these long-term contracts to guys that are not true starters. It may cost them a championship in the end.

The Celtics on the other hand have no such contracts long-term outside of their own main players. I worry that at the end of the season we'll see close to 14m more added through Ariza and Odom. I would do everything that I could possibly do right now to alleviate this by trading Odom for another expiring plus a pick or two. That would then allow me to possibly convince non-2010 teams of the value of taking Radmanovic, Luke, and possibly even Sasha.

[Erik Eleven]

You make a whole lot of sense, sir. Many good points.

I especially agree that they should have renegotiated the options of his contract after the incident. Would that be legal under the CBA? If so, I'm surprised they didn't think of it. Why didn't I think of it?

Radman is a top 5 three point shooter in this league. What team is struggling from three point land? Here they are, in order of worst suckiness to least:

1) Philadelphia
2) Clippers
3) Minnesota
4) Sacramento
5) Golden State
6) Washington
7) Dallas
8) Memphis
9) Cleveland
10) Indiana


What teams, out of the above, are currently under performing as opposed to re-building?

1) Washington
2) Indiana
3) Philadelphia
4) Milwaukee
5) Dallas
6) Sacramento


On those teams, what SFs are struggling with their perimeter shot, and offense in general?

Gotta go, please continue (out of those SFs, who is the better defender and smarter player?) There must be a good trade to be had for Radmanovic.

[Jajwanda]

It was a situation where Buss thought by being classy and not re-negotiating he'd be better off. Yes in fact he had the right to do so under a breach of contract by voiding the original under the assumption that the player's organization would see it as merely a minor punishment.

To analyze those teams you have to look into possibilities for Radmanovic at SF and at PF (he was always his best at that spot). We found one fit for Cook with Orlando so that erased that possibility from now on. Also the team has to be a non-2010 FA team without major fear of the luxury tax.

My list is similar and it goes:

1- Philly
2- LAC
3- Golden State
4- Washington
5- Charlotte

Are likely the best fits possible.

Philly has been discussed but Reggie Evans is not really a player to go after since he provides little productivity outside of rebounding. The Clippers don't match up contract-wise. Golden State's player to be traded would be Maggette. He has massive negative value right now. Washington as said is a possibility but something else would have been to thrown in to coax them to do it.

Charlotte is an interesting one because they'd like to get out of that Wallace deal. Perhaps Ariza+Radmanovic+Mihm could interest them. It doesn't help us with our spacing but it does improve our defense even more so and gives us a guy who can penetrate and attack. Not sure they'd do it but it does save them an immense amount of cash.