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OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#1 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:15 pm

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP)—The New York Jets fired coach Eric Mangini on Monday, a day after the team failed to make the playoffs.

The Jets started the season 8-3 under quarterback Brett Favre, but went 1-4 in their final five games and did not reach the postseason for the second straight year despite a massive offseason spending spree. The 37-year-old Mangini was 23-26 in three seasons in his first head coaching job. He had another year remaining on his contract.

The Jets were in first place in the AFC East before fading in the stretch, with Favre failing to rally the team that obtained him in a trade before the season. Favre had just two touchdown passes and nine interceptions in the last five games. “For the current New York Jets organization, we’ve made the decision to move on,” owner Woody Johnson said at a news conference Monday morning. “It’s a judgment call.

“I don’t think it was one thing,” he continued. “We had to go in a different direction. There’s nothing specific. It’s just a call we made. Hopefully, it’s correct.”


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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#2 » by richardhutnik » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:26 pm

Can anyone here, who defend this move, defend the GM staying on?

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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#3 » by TKF » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:32 pm

richardhutnik wrote:Can anyone here, who defend this move, defend the GM staying on?

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you can.. tanenbaum brought in players, all whom made a huge impact. His draft pick revis two years ago is a pro bowler... gholston was played out of position by mangini.... The FA signings all have been good to great... why fire the GM? mangini has been outcoached every week, and his lack of preparation and coaching skills cost us 3 games vs horrible west coast teams.. and we had to watch noodle arm pennington win the AFC on our field with chad throwing 2 weather baloons for touchdowns.. Yes he should be fired...
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#4 » by knicks2k9 » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:37 pm

this is BS the GM should be fired not the coach, and Brett was the one who got us elimitnated not MANGINI
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#5 » by The Explorer » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:41 pm

Favre really sucked the last few games. He killed the team with all his turnovers.
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#6 » by DocZaius » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:55 pm

He should have been fired after the loss to SF.

The guy is as bad as Herm.
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#7 » by DocZaius » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:56 pm

knicks2k9 wrote:this is BS the GM should be fired not the coach, and Brett was the one who got us elimitnated not MANGINI


looks like someone needs to watch the games
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#8 » by Jose7 » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:31 pm

Thank the lord. Maybe we can do something with the talent on this team. COWHER PLEASE.
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#9 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:42 pm

Jose7© wrote:Thank the lord. Maybe we can do something with the talent on this team. COWHER PLEASE.


Forget about Cowher he's not interested in coaching in 2009.

Lerner has already begun the interviewing process. On Saturday night in New York, he met with former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who told him he has no intention of returning to coaching in 2009 and asked Lerner not to include him on his list of coaching candidates.


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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#10 » by lliiknicksiill33 » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:48 pm

Firstly, I'm not a Jet fan, I'm a Steeler fan but I watch both Giants and Jets since most of my friends are Giants or Jets fan.

The Jets signing of Favre was not a good idea. He won't be back next year, he didn't get the team to the playoffs, he isn't the QB for how the Jets wanted to play, he's done (been done for 3-4 years now), and probably doesn't respect Mangini.

I don't think Mangini is fully to blame for the Jets collapse, Favre is more to blame. When the Jets lost 4 out of the last 5 (should've lost to the Bills) Favre 7 INTs and only 2 TDs not to mention he lead the NFL in INTs.

It will be an interesting search for a coach. My fav coach of all time Cower is available however I think his ego and him wanting to be more than a head coach (president, etc) won't land him on the Jets...thankfully. For some reason, I see him going to the Bills. It's a similar town to Pittsburgh and his ego and his personality really seem to mesh with Buffalo.
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#11 » by richardhutnik » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:49 pm

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richardhutnik wrote:Can anyone here, who defend this move, defend the GM staying on?

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you can.. tanenbaum brought in players, all whom made a huge impact. His draft pick revis two years ago is a pro bowler... gholston was played out of position by mangini.... The FA signings all have been good to great... why fire the GM? mangini has been outcoached every week, and his lack of preparation and coaching skills cost us 3 games vs horrible west coast teams.. and we had to watch noodle arm pennington win the AFC on our field with chad throwing 2 weather baloons for touchdowns.. Yes he should be fired...


A GM is judged my wins and losses, as much as the coach. The GM hires EVERYONE. If you are going to hold a coach accountable for winning and losing, why would you not do the same as the GM?

If Farve retires, explain where the QB position will be regarding the Jets. Who brought Farve in here?

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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#12 » by richardhutnik » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:50 pm

DocZaius wrote:
knicks2k9 wrote:this is BS the GM should be fired not the coach, and Brett was the one who got us elimitnated not MANGINI


looks like someone needs to watch the games


So Farve had nothing to do with the Jets losing?

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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#13 » by TKF » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:28 pm

richardhutnik wrote:
DocZaius wrote:
knicks2k9 wrote:this is BS the GM should be fired not the coach, and Brett was the one who got us elimitnated not MANGINI


looks like someone needs to watch the games


So Farve had nothing to do with the Jets losing?

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rich, favre has to be put into position to win games. I am not saying it is all mangini's fault, but look at this, we have 7 probowl players including favre and we lost to the niners and seahawks when it mattered most. And we lost not becuase favre was bad, but because we were unprepared and got outcoached.. that is not on favre and not on Tannenbaum... GM's are rated less on wins and losses than coaches are. GM's bring in the talent.. the talent didn't fail mangini or the jets...
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#14 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:43 pm

I'm down with the move, Mangini didn't get the most out of this team and while I think he's a good football mind but he just doesn't have enough swagger, not the killer instinct. He did well with a team in his first year where nobody expected anything, this year was a different story. When you got talent on the field and you have to blow teams out, you need a killer instinct, a certain confidence and Mangini with his read and react crap and his safe game plans never got it. Remember his first year how many chances he took, but this year we always played not to lose and were too afraid when going up against horrible horrible teams...

But let's not mistake our team as a surefire Super Bowl contender here. Sure, we had a lot of pro bowlers and atleast we should have made the playoffs- But personal wise this Jets team still has a lot of holes. We have no receiver who's taller than 5-11, outside of Harris we have only terrible, slow and plodding ILB, we have no real nasty pass rusher on the outside (not Pace, no BT and Gholston is still a work in progress), we have absolutely no depth on either line (which I think became a problem in recent games because Ellis, Coleman and Jenkins had to play way to many snaps over the course of the season) and on top of that our system sucked. Good riddance Sutton and good riddance Schottenheimer. Now we aren't that far away from contending, we need a stud ILB next to Harris who can cover (Brandon Spikes would be perfect), we need Gholston to come around and we need more depth. Oh and of course our secondary, I don't want to see either Ty Law or Dwight Lowery (while a solid nickel back) EVER start a game again for the Jets. Seriously, they are horrible. Now with a good draft and a few nice signings we could be fine, we got a lot of pieces in place but we have to understand that we

a) have to get more athletic players (SEC says hello)
b) that we need more depth
c) that we have to find an identity and this should be a strong defensive, running football team

Favre should retire, he has been horrible- I'm hard on him because with his star status he has to be held to certain measurements, He was goddamn awful and his game deciding mistakes have NOTHING to with coaching, no coach ever told him to throw right into defensive ends or triple coverage. We need to move on and so we did with Mangini, now we have to do the same thing with Favre. A lot of players on this team are young, other key guys like Jenkins are in their prime so there is no reason why we shouldn't be competitive and still build a true foundation for the future.

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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#15 » by RutgersBJJ » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:43 pm

both the GM and the coach should have been fired. The GM overpaid for a lot of marginal defensive players, and he also drafted someone in Gholston who showed no signs when he actually played in college that he was worthy of a top 10 pick. He is a bust, it was obvious he was going to be a bust. The only place he is a top 10 talent is in the workout room. The only reason the GM should be kept on is because he stole Faneca. This man is the 2nd best guard in the league and bringing him on took a line that was terrible last year and gave it some credibility. The line still has a long way to go though, and if Favre comes back they need to severely upgrade the o-line.

Mangini should have been fired because he is a terrible coach. The Jets had a cake walk of a schedule and it is hilarious they couldn't get at least 12 wins from it.

and if you are going to bring in Brett Favre, you need tall WRs. He is going to throw jump balls a lot, you need tall WRs to go up and get it.

Firing the coach was a sign to Brett that he should come back since Favre knew Mangini was a hack of a coach. Maybe this time the Jets will actually hire someone who knows how to coach, instead of jokes like Edwards and Mangini.

They should hire Spags from the Giants. Or if they really are committed to making Favre happy over all, then bring in Holmgren.
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#16 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:15 pm

RutgersBJJ wrote:both the GM and the coach should have been fired. The GM overpaid for a lot of marginal defensive players, and he also drafted someone in Gholston who showed no signs when he actually played in college that he was worthy of a top 10 pick. He is a bust, it was obvious he was going to be a bust. The only place he is a top 10 talent is in the workout room. The only reason the GM should be kept on is because he stole Faneca. This man is the 2nd best guard in the league and bringing him on took a line that was terrible last year and gave it some credibility. The line still has a long way to go though, and if Favre comes back they need to severely upgrade the o-line.

Mangini should have been fired because he is a terrible coach. The Jets had a cake walk of a schedule and it is hilarious they couldn't get at least 12 wins from it.

and if you are going to bring in Brett Favre, you need tall WRs. He is going to throw jump balls a lot, you need tall WRs to go up and get it.

Firing the coach was a sign to Brett that he should come back since Favre knew Mangini was a hack of a coach. Maybe this time the Jets will actually hire someone who knows how to coach, instead of jokes like Edwards and Mangini.

They should hire Spags from the Giants. Or if they really are committed to making Favre happy over all, then bring in Holmgren.


Wow, you are incredibly wrong on Gholston. He was the best value pick at 6 after others were gone. All he did at Ohio State was breaking the sack record in his junior year and completely owning Jake Long when these two played each other. He has all the physical tools but everybody knew he would be a project pick, a great athlete who is not yet a football player. Having BT and Pace before him who played good early on didn't help him either and while I don't want to praise his effort by any means or diminish the fact that he should have played better, we should never give up that early on a guy like him. Also remember that he changed his position from college DE to 3-4 OLB. And in Mangini's and Sutton's terrible read and react scheme this is a tough thing to do...

Also, Greg Jennings is 5-11 and Donald Driver is 6-0, both were starting in GB, so how did that work out with Favre and his jump balls?!? Favre came in way too late, out of shape and with the makeup of our team we should have never let him throw the ball that much. Problem is, you have a name like Favre, he has to get his throws and all. Now one problem is that Mangini is terrible at making adjustments. Opponents jam our receivers at the LOS, Keller gets double coverage, opposing TEs absolutely pick us apart... no reaction! We had no answers for things like that and that is clearly on the coach,

Screw this one year plan with Favre, we have to move on. And to Spagnuolo, while I like him, his background and his fire, he's a 4-3 guy and that's the last thing that we need. Just at the time when we got all the personnel for the 3-4 we turn the D around again. Pace and BT would be absolutely useless in the 4-3, to me that just isn't an option.

Faneca is a great run blocker but his pass protection at times has been horrific. In my opinion while I liked the signing, Ferguson and Mangold both played better over the course of the year and Faneca only got in the pro bowl because of his reputation...
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#17 » by richardhutnik » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:21 pm

RutgersBJJ wrote:both the GM and the coach should have been fired. The GM overpaid for a lot of marginal defensive players, and he also drafted someone in Gholston who showed no signs when he actually played in college that he was worthy of a top 10 pick. He is a bust, it was obvious he was going to be a bust. The only place he is a top 10 talent is in the workout room. The only reason the GM should be kept on is because he stole Faneca. This man is the 2nd best guard in the league and bringing him on took a line that was terrible last year and gave it some credibility. The line still has a long way to go though, and if Favre comes back they need to severely upgrade the o-line.

Mangini should have been fired because he is a terrible coach. The Jets had a cake walk of a schedule and it is hilarious they couldn't get at least 12 wins from it.


My take again on this is, if you are arguing a coach that took a team with the record it had last year to 9-7 should be fired, the you likewise need to consider the same for the GM. I am hoping no one here doesn't say the GM is on a short leash. I will say that the current Jets GM is the same spot Isiah was when he went through coaches. He has ONE more chance to get it right, and give two seasons with a new coach, and then he is gone. Shoot, I will say even ONE more season. If the Jets aren't at least 9-7 next season, fire the GM.

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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#18 » by richardhutnik » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:23 pm

Well, so much for the "Man-genius" label!

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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#19 » by duetta » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:24 pm

Woody whacked him. But he'll always be remembered because of his cameo in The Sopranos.
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Re: OT: Jets fire coach Eric Mangini after 3 seasons 

Post#20 » by EchelonNYK » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:30 pm

A dark horse in this whole coaching search is Rex Ryan of the Ravens. keep an eye on that..he'd be a great choice.

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