SI: Suns should retool, maybe trade Stoudemire

[chrice]

I'll tell you all what the problem boils down to: Shaq and Amare do not work in tandem on offense.

Change that and the SUNS will be very much improved.

Tell Amare to learn how to rebound and defend. That's the bigger problem. He's giving up too many easy shots and his inability to box people out gives opposing teams second/third/fourth chance points on a single possession. I'd like to see the stats on how many offensive rebounds he allows per game.

[nba_addict]

As day passes by I seriously think the window for winning championship for Phoenix has closed.

Porter wont be able to do it. I feel for Shaq, Nash and Hill.

[TrueTaiwanese]

we should

1) ship Nash and Amare out to Toronto in a deal like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I can really see Toronto doing it. With Amare and Nash, they've now turned themselve into a full-time run and gun team of the East. Considering the size of their fansbase, it's not hard to envision a dramatic increase in team revenue and natinoal attention both due to Steve's return and a more popular basketball system in run n gun, especially during the financial crisis. And with Steve's playmaking mastermind, he will be able to get the most outta those Rapter's pathetic second units who couldn't even create their own shot.

2) sent Barbosa to Indiana for a decent bigs like Foster and a prospects in Rush
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I just made these up and I really have no idea why Pacer would do this besides getting a former sixth-man in Barbosa.

Then our depth chart will be:
Jose Calderon / Dragic
Jason Richardson / Brandon Rush
Grand Hill / Matt Barn / Jared Dudley
Chris Bosh / Jeff Foster
Shaq / Courtney Sims ???!\

A nice blend of youth and veteran!!!

[mkot]

Here's a thought, instead of trading him why don't we utilize his strengths and stop gearing towards his weaknesses. In other words, run the damn pick and roll more and get him facing the basket as opposed to posting him up.

I really don't see much room for Amare and Nash to run their pick and roll game... because the spacing is just horrible. We do not have shooters to spread the floor. Well, actually we do, Porter just doesn't put them (LB in particular, he isn't playing enough minutes alongside Nash which is also a problem) out on the floor when Shaq is out. And when Shaq is in, which is usually 30+ minutes a game, the middle is clogged. And there's no one on the perimeter for Nash to kick it out when the first option has taken away by the opponents. Guys aren't moving, and they aren't even standing in the right place that's why the TOs we've been racking up this season. There's no sets in the offense. Just walk the ball up and give it to Shaq with 13 seconds left on the shot clock. It's almost like Porter has no clue how to run an offense so he just let his players figure it out themselves.

[rsavaj]

Here's a thought, instead of trading him why don't we utilize his strengths and stop gearing towards his weaknesses. In other words, run the damn pick and roll more and get him facing the basket as opposed to posting him up.

I really don't see much room for Amare and Nash to run their pick and roll game... because the spacing is just horrible. We do not have shooters to spread the floor. Well, actually we do, Porter just doesn't put them (LB in particular, he isn't playing enough minutes alongside Nash which is also a problem) out on the floor when Shaq is out. And when Shaq is in, which is usually 30+ minutes a game, the middle is clogged. And there's no one on the perimeter for Nash to kick it out when the first option has taken away by the opponents. Guys aren't moving, and they aren't even standing in the right place that's why the TOs we've been racking up this season. There's no sets in the offense. Just walk the ball up and give it to Shaq with 13 seconds left on the shot clock. It's almost like Porter has no clue how to run an offense so he just let his players figure it out themselves.

Yeah. If our coach had a brain he'd pnr more, but remember, he doesn't like pnrs because it supposedly makes Nash tired. I think losing every game will make him more exhausted, "Coach".

Amare for Marion+Chalmers(one MIA fan offered Marion+Beasley but that's a pipe dream)...

Nash/Chalmers/Tragic
Rich/Barbosa/Tucker
Hill/Barnes
Trix/Amundson
Shaq/Fropez

Trix upgrades our perimeter defense, allows for some spacing(simply b/c he's more of a threat from 3 than Amare is), and might get some of those old SSOL juices flowing again.

[rsavaj]

Nash/Amare for Calderon/Bosh.

Calderon's a halfcourt guy, and Bosh is better than Amare. TOR gets a happy/reinvigorated Nash and a motivated/PO'd STAT to make a 2nd half playoff run.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

What about Villanueva, either one of Jefferson/Redd, and an unprotected 2009 1st rounder?

[rsavaj]

What about Villanueva, either one of Jefferson/Redd, and an unprotected 2009 1st rounder?

Villanueva's a nice piece but we're actually stocked pretty nicely at the wing spots(Richardson, Hill, Barnes, Barbosa, Tucker), so Redd/Jefferson would be really redundant. Maybe Sessions or Alexander?

[europa]

What about Villanueva, either one of Jefferson/Redd, and an unprotected 2009 1st rounder?

Villanueva's a nice piece but we're actually stocked pretty nicely at the wing spots(Richardson, Hill, Barnes, Barbosa, Tucker), so Redd/Jefferson would be really redundant. Maybe Sessions or Alexander?

The only way the Bucks can get involved is if Redd or RJ is part of the mix because of their contracts. What about Jefferson/Villanueva/Sessions for Stoudamire?

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

The only way the Bucks can get involved is if Redd or RJ is part of the mix because of their contracts. What about Jefferson/Villanueva/Sessions for Stoudamire?

They can have Alexander too. We'd still be rolling out a frontcourt of Bogut/Amare/Moute.

[rsavaj]

The only way the Bucks can get involved is if Redd or RJ is part of the mix because of their contracts. What about Jefferson/Villanueva/Sessions for Stoudamire?

They can have Alexander too. We'd still be rolling out a frontcourt of Bogut/Amare/Moute.

Gonna be honest w/ you, Jefferson/Villanueva/Sessions/Alexander is overpaying for Amare

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

The only way the Bucks can get involved is if Redd or RJ is part of the mix because of their contracts. What about Jefferson/Villanueva/Sessions for Stoudamire?

They can have Alexander too. We'd still be rolling out a frontcourt of Bogut/Amare/Moute.

Gonna be honest w/ you, Jefferson/Villanueva/Sessions/Alexander is overpaying for Amare

Let that be our problem to sort out - just sign the papers!

[trustt]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
How about this?
I think the Bobcats wouldn't mind and there's been talking about David West looking for a change, Hornets might not think Posey and West are worth Amare though...

[The Magic Man]

Best trade offer for Amare is?
Phx Trade:Stoudemire
Orl Trade:J.Nelson,H.Turkoglu,1rd

Phx gets more depth.
Orl wins the NBA Championship.Amare/Howard

[nba_addict]

This trade scenarios are not the answer to the teams problem at the moment

[rkcHEAT]

OK, how about this from us Heaters....

Marion, Daequan Cook, Dorrell Wright, and a second round pick for Amare and filler? In this you get your boy Shawn back or use his expiring. You get a young shooter and defender in Cook that is coming into his own and along very nicely right now. You get a freaky athletic Dorrell Wright whom would work much better in your system than ours (unfortuantely) and you get a pick.

If you want more meat to add to that you could then later swing something with D'Antoni I am sure for say Nash and/or Marion to land you some promising youngs and picks.

And you don't just chance losing Amare, which is a good possibility in 10. I think this is sweet for both teams.

[JohnVancouver]

No trade is going to help this team, at least no trade that's really feasible. To make an impact one of the core guys would have to go and that wouldn't really help this season. It would be a write-off of the year.
You'd still have Porter, who, on the evidence, has no real vision for this team. A hallucination, maybe, but not a workable, coherent vision of how this teams should be playing.
So we'd have dissassembled the talent and whatever cohesiveness we do have and whoever came in would still be playing under and ineffectual coach.
Then, eventually, Porter would be fired and we would be left with ... what? No young talent coming up, no draft picks ... this would be a lottery team that would be feeding picks to OKC.

This all goes back to the unbelievable squandering and giveaways of talent and picks over the last five years.If Sarver had approved paying lux tax we'd have a wealth of talent, young and old, and several rings.
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.