The Kobe Step Through

[sixerswillrule]

Nope. You have to jump off both feet. Or just your pivot foot. Picking up pivot foot = change in pivot foot = travel.

Section VIII—Pivot

If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.
If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation.

http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-NBARuleBook.pdf

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exactly what i said

Umm, that doesn't prove anything. It says nothing there that switching pivot feet is legal...

[sixerswillrule]

Uhh, yes you do. You obviously don't know how to play the game if you think switching pivot feet is legal...

It's only a pivot foot if you actually pivot on it i.e. put the other foot down. Those are the official rules in the NBA and FIBA. Like I said, you only choose your pivot foot once both feet touch the ground EVEN if both feet don't land at the same time.

No one was talking about when you receive the ball. We were talking about after making a move and picking up your dribble, where a pivot foot is established.

[sixerswillrule]

Nope. You have to jump off both feet. Or just your pivot foot. Picking up pivot foot = change in pivot foot = travel.

Common post move: Back to the basket, drop step towards the basket with the right foot and take off with the right foot. You call that a travel too? because it's the same thing.

No the common post move is to NOT take off with the right foot. You do the drop step then lift off at the same time with both feet. Taking off with the right foot is a travel because you have to lift your pivot foot before you can take off with the right.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about.

[mrfatwrecker]

Common post move: Back to the basket, drop step towards the basket with the right foot and take off with the right foot. You call that a travel too? because it's the same thing.

Yeah, that's a travel. You would obviously be switching pivot feet. It's hard to argue with people that have no idea what they are talking about but would never admit if they were wrong. I would hate to play against you. Is that your go to move? You must be unstoppable b/c that's pretty hard to guard. I wouldn't see that coming. Everybody in the whole gym would scream TRAVEL though.

Nope. You have to jump off both feet. Or just your pivot foot. Picking up pivot foot = change in pivot foot = travel.

Section VIII—Pivot

If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.
If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation.

http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-NBARuleBook.pdf

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exactly what i said[/quote]

Umm, that doesn't prove anything. It says nothing there that switching pivot feet is legal...[/quote]


If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.

If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.

If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.

If it's automatically a travel when you pick up your pivot foot, then how does that rule make any sense? Explain that Einstein.

It's not switching pivot feet, stop being so dense, shaggy too. The rule is CLEAR. You CANNNNNNNN pick up your pivot foot, as long as you're going up for a shot or pass and don't put it back down. That is what Kobe does. That is what the whole league does in the post. I said this on page one, it says it in the rules. What the hell is wrong with you? READ!

[sixerswillrule]

The rule is saying that if you jump into the air off of your pivot foot, you have to pass or shoot before landing. You can't switch pivot feet while still on the ground, regardless of what you you're going to do afterward. Everyone knows that. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Kobe may get away with it, but IT IS A TRAVEL. Like the play against the Knicks posted in this thread. He did it quickly, but he jumped off of his other foot. Travel. The whole league doesn't do that. They jump off both feet. You have to. If they don't, it should be called. Just because the Refs don't call it sometimes doesn't mean it's not a travel.

[mrfatwrecker]

The rule is saying that if you jump into the air off of your pivot foot, you have to pass or shoot before landing. You can't switch pivot feet while still on the ground, regardless of what you you're going to do afterward. Everyone knows that. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Kobe may get away with it, but IT IS A TRAVEL. Like the play against the Knicks posted in this thread. He did it quickly, but he jumped off of his other foot. Travel. The whole league doesn't do that. They jump off both feet. You have to. Just because the Refs don't call it sometimes doesn't mean it's not a travel.

UGH, How many times can you contradict yourself in one thread? Here, this should end your foolishness.

OK Mr., if you're jumping off BOTH feet at the same time like you claim is necessary, then how do you take off with just your pivot foot? If you're jumping with both feet simultaneously, WHY IS THERE A RULE ABOUT JUMPING OFF OF JUST YOUR PIVOT FOOT?!

If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.

Take a step back and try to learn from others, because you are the one who is oblivious.

[sixerswillrule]

OK Mr., if you're jumping off BOTH feet at the same time like you claim is necessary, then how do you take off with just your pivot foot? If you're jumping with both feet simultaneously, WHY IS THERE A RULE ABOUT JUMPING OFF OF JUST YOUR PIVOT FOOT?!

I never contradicted myself. You can jump off both feet. You can jump off just your pivot foot. Either way is legal. In both cases, your pivot foot is leaving the ground, right? And that's where the rule comes in. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor. Exactly. BUT YOU CANNOT SWITCH PIVOT FEET WHILE STILL ON THE GROUND.

[jaymeister15]

Kobe's my favourite superstar, but he does that a lot. There's one I remember where he travels, throws the ball of the backboard, doesn't hit rim, then gets the "rebound" and scores. Classic NBA.

lol, you can't complain about "Classic NBA" when you don't even know a basic rule.

Of course you can get your own rebound off the backboard.

[mrfatwrecker]

OK Mr., if you're jumping off BOTH feet at the same time like you claim is necessary, then how do you take off with just your pivot foot? If you're jumping with both feet simultaneously, WHY IS THERE A RULE ABOUT JUMPING OFF OF JUST YOUR PIVOT FOOT?!

I never contradicted myself. You can jump off both feet. You can jump off just your pivot feet. Either way is legal. In both cases, your pivot foot is leaving the ground, right? And that's where the rule comes in. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor. Exactly. BUT YOU CANNOT SWITCH PIVOT FEET WHILE STILL ON THE GROUND.

WHO IS TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING PIVOT FEET? YOU!

This whole thread is about whether Kobe is allowed to step through with his non pivot foot and take off with that foot ONLY. The rule says this is obviously legal.

Do you deny that? Is Kobe's step through not legal or are you going to continue looking like a fool?

[mrfatwrecker]

OK Mr., if you're jumping off BOTH feet at the same time like you claim is necessary, then how do you take off with just your pivot foot? If you're jumping with both feet simultaneously, WHY IS THERE A RULE ABOUT JUMPING OFF OF JUST YOUR PIVOT FOOT?!

I never contradicted myself. You can jump off both feet. You can jump off just your pivot feet. Either way is legal. In both cases, your pivot foot is leaving the ground, right? And that's where the rule comes in. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor. Exactly. BUT YOU CANNOT SWITCH PIVOT FEET WHILE STILL ON THE GROUND.

WHO IS TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING PIVOT FEET? YOU! No #@$% YOU CAN'T SWITCH PIVOT FEET! That's like you trying to justify your completely insignificant argument with something like, "of course you need to pass to get an assist." Oh really, are you sure? Tell me what color the sky is again please.

This whole thread is about whether Kobe is allowed to step through with his non pivot foot and take off with that foot ONLY. The rule says this is obviously legal.

Do you deny that? Is Kobe's step through not legal or are you going to continue looking like a fool? I bet I know hahaha, you stubborn 8 year old.

[casey]

They jump off both feet.

No. Even if you try to jump off both feet one foot is going to leave a millisecond before the other. It's pretty much impossible to get both feet off of the ground at the exact same time. This whole both feet leaving the ground at the same time crap is meaningless.

BUT YOU CANNOT SWITCH PIVOT FEET WHILE STILL ON THE GROUND.

You can pick up your pivot foot, and take a step with your other foot. You can pick up your pivot foot and then stand in the same place for another 10 seconds, as long as your pivot foot doesn't come back down to the ground again.

[sixerswillrule]

WHO IS TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING PIVOT FEET?

YOU ARE!!!

In the step through, if you pick up your pivot foot and step onto your other foot(it does not matter if you plan to jump off of that foot immediately after), IN THAT INSTANT YOU HAVE SWITCHED PIVOT FEET. THAT IS A TRAVEL.

[mrfatwrecker]

WHO IS TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING PIVOT FEET?

YOU ARE!!!

In the step through, if you pick up your pivot foot and step onto your other foot(it does not matter if you plan to jump off of that foot immediately after), IN THAT INSTANT YOU HAVE SWITCHED PIVOT FEET. THAT IS A TRAVEL.

You're a stubborn idiot and I'm done with you. I can't make it any clearer to you how wrong and how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) you are.

[sixerswillrule]

No. Even if you try to jump off both feet one foot is going to leave a millisecond before the other. It's pretty much impossible to get both feet off of the ground at the exact same time. This whole both feet leaving the ground at the same time crap is meaningless.

Not talking about milliseconds. Talking about having a pivot foot, picking it up, and jumping off of your other foot, which can be clearly visible.

You can pick up your pivot foot, and take a step with your other foot. You can pick up your pivot foot and then stand in the same place for another 10 seconds, as long as your pivot foot doesn't come back down to the ground again.

Wow.....

[casey]

You can't take your pivot foot off the ground with your other foot still on the ground.

It's a good thing I went back and read through this thread again, because I missed this the first time. You're wrong. You absolutely can do that. That's not changing your pivot foot. Unless you bring that foot back to the ground it's not a travel.

Wow.....

It's true.

[sixerswillrule]

Picking up your pivot foot while still on the ground is a travel. Period.

[Derekman]

^^ dude, stop being so dense and going by past perceptions. The rules have been written right in front of you; it's not a travel.

[casey]

Picking up your pivot foot while still on the ground is a travel. Period.

No, putting it back down is what makes it a travel.

[mrfatwrecker]

Picking up your pivot foot while still on the ground is a travel. Period.

LMAO, this guy, so relentless he can't even absorb the information right in front of his stupid face.

In addition to the OFFICIAL NBA RULES ALREADY POSTED

Limitations on Using Your Pivot Foot
Having established a pivot foot, you may, within defined limits, pivot, shoot, pass, or dribble. To pivot, you may step with the non-pivot foot in any direction, provided the ball of the pivot foot remains in contact with the court and does not move laterally.

You may raise your pivot foot to shoot or pass, provided the ball leaves your hand/s before the pivot foot returns to the court.

When executing a dribble, however, you must ensure that the ball leaves your dribbling hand before the pivot foot leaves the court.

Q: Player A picks up the dribble with both feet on the ground. He then steps (jabs) with his right several time to the right. (This establishes the left foot as the pivot foot.) He then steps to the left with his right foot with the left (pivot) foot planted on the ground. He then lifts the left (pivot) foot while the right foot is on the ground, jumps off the right foot and shoots the ball before the pivot foot is returned to the floor.

Several of my friends say this is a travel, even though the rule states that once the pivot foot is established, the player may lift it as long as the player shoots or passes the ball before it returns to the floor.

The difference of opinion here between my friends and I is that, they say he can only lift the pivot foot if the other foot is lifted at the same time. (i.e. he can jump of both feet but not lift the pivot and then jump off the other foot).
Can you please clarify?

A: The play is legal. There is no restriction on when or how the pivot foot may be lifted, just the restriction you mentioned after the pivot foot is lifted.

[jaymeister15]

Picking up your pivot foot while still on the ground is a travel. Period.

man, you're wrong.

It's ok to admit you were wrong about something, just stop continuing on like this.