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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#41 » by carrottop12 » Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:22 am

Lava Rock Kid wrote:WOW just WOW
I guess a coach is not in charge anymore. I guess the players decide when they play and when they come out. What type of examples does that set when the star player wont do what the coach wants.
Your man crush on Melo has blown my mind.

I have never seen Kobe or Lebron refuse to come out of the game. It is called rotation. If a sub player knows when he is comming into a game and for about how many minutes he can prepare and be a better player for it. This makes a back up better. Melo cant win it all by himself. I am sure coach is looking at the bigger picture, that if he keeps his subs playing at a high ability come playoff time, Melo wont have to do it all. Denver can advance if everybody is on the same page. If Melo runs the show, why even have a coach. Denver is doing the right thing and in the long term I believe it will help denver win more games.


Karl Malone used to waive off substitutions when he'd get into foul trouble. Sometimes he'd end up getting pulled anyways, sometimes I think Sloan was sort of asking him if he could stay in. Regardless this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#42 » by SnakefromHell » Thu Mar 5, 2009 12:27 pm

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SnakefromHell wrote:This is about the long-term and not short-term... if he got away from it, that means the system is broken, and players shouldn't bother to follow the system's rules.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. As said, the system is already broken. Karl has proven he is not a good enough coach anymore, and any "system" he has, is crap and will not win.

And you talk like Melo actually did something horribly bad. He didn't. He made a decision that was best for the team. Karl made one to satisfy his over-sized ego. Karl hurt this team long and short team. If you can't see that, you're freaking blind.


So all of a sudden Melo wanted to take charge and make decisions. No, there's only one leader and one who's in charge... and if you want to make decisions, you have to make decisions the whole season. Melo by his actions has proven he's not a leader, at least he's not one yet... and so if he cannot lead, he just needs to follow whoever is in charge.

You can't be in charge for "certain games" only... you want to be in charge, you have to be in charge for a whole season. Take responsibilities. Set examples. But again, since he hasn't done that, he's not yet a leader.

LeBron is a leader, Kobe is a leader, Billups is a leader. People who think being in charge is about the fun side, but do not want to take responsibilities that comes with being the one in charge are pretenders.

Want to be a leader? Want to be in charge? Want to make decisions for the team? Then be like LeBron. Never take plays off, set examples, be like Kobe or KG, get into the faces of teammates who don't play hard.

A system is clear who is in charge... and in this case, Melo is steering out of the system. It's your friggin opinion there's no system. At least, Karl is doing his best now and wants to take responsibilities as the one in charge.

All that playing AC and not playing Balkman, I agree, are bad decisions... but we're still 3rd in the West. So, maybe he knows what he's doing. I'm saying Karl had made it clear he'd be in charge for the season... so let him be. At the end of the season, we'll evaluate if the decisions he makes work or don't. Are you expecting him fired before the end of the season and so someone can take over? It's not realistic.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#43 » by maxwellcu » Thu Mar 5, 2009 4:57 pm

This "long-term" and "system" crap is nonsense.

This is a VETERAN team in an ****EXTREMELY**** tight playoff race at the end of the season. This isn't preseason. This isn't a lottery team, and it certainly isn't the Lakers or the Celtics.

We can't sacrifice games because our coach is a jackass and can't get along with his players, period.

The Nuggets, simply put, aren't playing pee-wee hoops where moral victories and learning life lessons is important. It's professional sports, winning is all that matters, period.

Karl has proven that he is an atrocious coach, time and time again.

This team since the All-Star break has been sh*tting the bed right and left, losing to horrible teams, and generally playing poorly.

We were second in the west a few weeks ago. Now we're well within reach of falling to 8th seed. Guess what happens when you're the 8th seed in the western conference? You get steamrolled in the first round by a Lakers team that looks to approach 70 wins. Again.

Every game is extremely important.

Karl's BS here probably cost us the Indiana game and definitely cost us the Detroit game.

Our coach's power trips are not worth 2 losses.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#44 » by Lava Rock Kid » Fri Mar 6, 2009 3:38 pm

Another successful coaches opionion of what he would do in that position

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11844807
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#45 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Fri Mar 6, 2009 7:19 pm

Lava Rock Kid wrote:Another successful coaches opionion of what he would do in that position

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11844807

LOL, I don't think you could have chosen a more biased article. Good job. :roll:
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#46 » by Lava Rock Kid » Fri Mar 6, 2009 10:27 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
Lava Rock Kid wrote:Another successful coaches opionion of what he would do in that position

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11844807

LOL, I don't think you could have chosen a more biased article. Good job. :roll:


Why because it didnt take your side that Carmelo should be able to do anything he wants? Sloan has had winning teams and allstars for a long time. Matter of fact so has your coach. Mabey they know what they are talking about.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#47 » by J Smitty » Fri Mar 6, 2009 11:26 pm

A guy who has never won a championship in his life sure is one to talk.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#48 » by Lava Rock Kid » Sat Mar 7, 2009 12:28 am

J Smitty wrote:A guy who has never won a championship in his life sure is one to talk.


When was the last time Denver won a title? I honestly dont remember. Really I dont even remember when the last time denver even won the division.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#49 » by The Rebel » Sat Mar 7, 2009 12:51 am

Lava Rock Kid wrote:Another successful coaches opionion of what he would do in that position

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11844807


Coby, are you really going to use a slanted article, opining about what may have happened if Sloan was a coach (even with a Jazz fan admitting Karl Malone used to do the same **** all the time), to prove a point that winning coaches do not allow that stuff? the Jazz had two hall of famers for years, yet could never get over the hump, and we are supposed to worry about what Sloan may have done. Phil Jackson, Riley, Sloan, and many more coaches have put up with worse **** then that to win. Which after all is what their job is.

Throwing your players under the bus, and only looking for your own glory gets you nowhere, which is something that Karl loves to preach. yet Karl has been looking out for his name, and what he want for so long most knowledgeable NBA fans, realize that Karl is the problem, when crap like this comes out.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#50 » by The Rebel » Sat Mar 7, 2009 12:53 am

Lava Rock Kid wrote:
Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
Lava Rock Kid wrote:Another successful coaches opionion of what he would do in that position

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11844807

LOL, I don't think you could have chosen a more biased article. Good job. :roll:


Why because it didnt take your side that Carmelo should be able to do anything he wants? Sloan has had winning teams and allstars for a long time. Matter of fact so has your coach. Mabey they know what they are talking about.


So what if they win games in the regular season and coach all stars, when have the won the one that really counts, with over 40 years of coaching in the NBA you would think they would have more then 0 since they are both such great coaches and have coached so much talent.

Lava Rock Kid wrote:
J Smitty wrote:A guy who has never won a championship in his life sure is one to talk.


When was the last time Denver won a title? I honestly dont remember. Really I dont even remember when the last time denver even won the division.


Are you really trying to trash the Nuggets franchise and their record to prove what a great coach Karl is?

It's been since the ABA days that the Nuggets got close, however the Jazz have just as many championships as the Nuggets do. AS for winning the division, it has only been a 3 years, however it could be argued that the Nuggets had one of the top 3 teams in the league for talent over the last few years. Of course the man you are trying to defend has never figured out how to get anything more then the college coach that was here before him got from a team with half the talent.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#51 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Sat Mar 7, 2009 1:05 am

Lava Rock Kid wrote:
Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
Lava Rock Kid wrote:Another successful coaches opionion of what he would do in that position

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11844807

LOL, I don't think you could have chosen a more biased article. Good job. :roll:


Why because it didnt take your side that Carmelo should be able to do anything he wants?

It has nothing to do with any substance the article might have had, the writer and article were obviously biased against Melo. If you can't honestly see that, I feel sorry for you.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#52 » by Lava Rock Kid » Sat Mar 7, 2009 7:24 am

Why because it didnt take your side that Carmelo should be able to do anything he wants? Sloan has had winning teams and allstars for a long time. Matter of fact so has your coach. Mabey they know what they are talking about.[/quote]

So what if they win games in the regular season and coach all stars, when have the won the one that really counts, with over 40 years of coaching in the NBA you would think they would have more then 0 since they are both such great coaches and have coached so much talent.

Lava Rock Kid wrote:
J Smitty wrote:A guy who has never won a championship in his life sure is one to talk.


When was the last time Denver won a title? I honestly dont remember. Really I dont even remember when the last time denver even won the division.


Are you really trying to trash the Nuggets franchise and their record to prove what a great coach Karl is?

It's been since the ABA days that the Nuggets got close, however the Jazz have just as many championships as the Nuggets do. AS for winning the division, it has only been a 3 years, however it could be argued that the Nuggets had one of the top 3 teams in the league for talent over the last few years. Of course the man you are trying to defend has never figured out how to get anything more then the college coach that was here before him got from a team with half the talent.[/quote]


If you go back to the ABA days, Utah has a title with Ron Boone and the Stars. Anyhow, I understand that the mancrush you all have on melo makes you feel this way. I agree with the writer. But to each its own.

On a side note. Denver looked great today at Utah. Your defense was amazing, especially in the first half. Karl deserves some credit for that. Melo's 5th foul was stupid but so was the other two against ak, I think it was a make up call. Sucks that it happened to be on your best player for his 5th. Good luck the rest of the year. I am sure glad the days of the northwest division not playing good basketball is over.
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Re: Melo suspended for Detroit game 

Post#53 » by J Smitty » Sat Mar 7, 2009 7:44 am

Mark Jackson completely owned this argument about that trash your Utah paper put out and all the comments made by Sloan and his players.....and he played for Sloan. So therefore you lose, now GTFO.

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