ImageImageImage

College players thread/ Draft Related thread

Moderators: Domejandro, Worm Guts, Calinks

Klomp
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 69,284
And1: 22,731
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Contact:
   

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1401 » by Klomp » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:05 am

Heres my question. Is it really a rookie PG that we need? I think a vet starting PG is more important. Someone like a Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Rafer Alston, etc. Nothing spectacular, but someone who can run the offense and won't cost an arm and a leg. I would offer guys like Telfair and Smith in return.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
User avatar
big3_8_19_21
RealGM
Posts: 12,113
And1: 421
Joined: Jan 17, 2005

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1402 » by big3_8_19_21 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:09 am

well, we do need a long term starting PG. I don't see how a team like ours would ever need a 30+ year old over a long term starter. We have an over-abundance of unspectacular players. Sure Fisher/Blake/Alston would improve us, but we need a lot more than marginal improvement.
Thriving on mediocrity since '89.
Winter Wonder
Rookie
Posts: 1,198
And1: 0
Joined: Apr 02, 2008
       

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1403 » by Winter Wonder » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:34 pm

Warning, Small rant to follow.

Now I am not saying this individual is a bad player, quite the contrary, I think he is quite talented and performs a role most teams can use. He has potential to be a nice rotation guy and contributer.

That said, I do not understand all the love the Blair gets on this board. He is a horrible fit for the current MN roster that has about 20 or so options to play the power forward position, and that is Blair's only real position as he is FAR too short to be a center. Also, for those that worry about Thabeet's fouling, Blair would be in a far worse position due to girth and position. This year, Thabeet averaged about six more minutes a game then Blair and fouled less times (through 31 games per CBS).

Blair is redundent, brings nothing new, doesn't have a high ceiling, and is just more apt to try and out physical someone, which he can do in college, but will have a much harder time doing that in the NBA. Plus, we have Craig Smith who has more all round skill (point power forward FTW) as well as the aforementioned, glut of players that can/do play the 4 position for MN.

Unless some fairly sizable roster changes occur, just say no to Blair. No Blair. No more drafting power forwards for a little bit please (unless it's Blake Griffin and then we have some roster cleaning that will need to be done).
User avatar
john2jer
RealGM
Posts: 15,304
And1: 452
Joined: May 26, 2006
Location: State Of Total Awesomeness
 

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1404 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:38 pm

My only interest in Blair would be if we clean out Smith and possibly Gomes, while finding a center.

C - Thabeet/Love
PF - Jefferson/Blair

That kind of frontcourt.
basketball royalty wrote:Is Miami considered a big city in the States? I thought guys just went there because of the weather and the bitches?
User avatar
revprodeji
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 22,388
And1: 8
Joined: Dec 25, 2002
Location: Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought
Contact:

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1405 » by revprodeji » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:11 pm

If we draft thabeet it is to do a 3 man rotation with Love/Al--no minutes for Blair.
http://www.timetoshop.org
Weight management, Sports nutrition and more...
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
Posts: 20,712
And1: 1,952
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1406 » by Krapinsky » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:14 pm

Winter Wonder wrote:Warning, Small rant to follow.

Now I am not saying this individual is a bad player, quite the contrary, I think he is quite talented and performs a role most teams can use. He has potential to be a nice rotation guy and contributer.

That said, I do not understand all the love the Blair gets on this board. He is a horrible fit for the current MN roster that has about 20 or so options to play the power forward position, and that is Blair's only real position as he is FAR too short to be a center. Also, for those that worry about Thabeet's fouling, Blair would be in a far worse position due to girth and position. This year, Thabeet averaged about six more minutes a game then Blair and fouled less times (through 31 games per CBS).

Blair is redundent, brings nothing new, doesn't have a high ceiling, and is just more apt to try and out physical someone, which he can do in college, but will have a much harder time doing that in the NBA. Plus, we have Craig Smith who has more all round skill (point power forward FTW) as well as the aforementioned, glut of players that can/do play the 4 position for MN.

Unless some fairly sizable roster changes occur, just say no to Blair. No Blair. No more drafting power forwards for a little bit please (unless it's Blake Griffin and then we have some roster cleaning that will need to be done).


That's the first time I've ever heard anyone call Smith a point forward. Obviously we don't need Blair. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you rant or no rant.
FinnTheHuman wrote: Your post is just garbage.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:Garbage post, indeed.
User avatar
john2jer
RealGM
Posts: 15,304
And1: 452
Joined: May 26, 2006
Location: State Of Total Awesomeness
 

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1407 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:21 pm

Agreed, but you always need that fourth big, we don't have one assuming we trade Cookie. Although I'm sure Gomes is fine getting minutes as our 4th big, but assuming we lose both, we kind of need a 4th guy. Just say no to Cardinal and Madsen.
basketball royalty wrote:Is Miami considered a big city in the States? I thought guys just went there because of the weather and the bitches?
User avatar
deeney0
RealGM
Posts: 10,594
And1: 9
Joined: Jan 26, 2005
Location: Cambridge, MA

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1408 » by deeney0 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:46 pm

klomp44 wrote:Heres my question. Is it really a rookie PG that we need? I think a vet starting PG is more important. Someone like a Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Rafer Alston, etc. Nothing spectacular, but someone who can run the offense and won't cost an arm and a leg. I would offer guys like Telfair and Smith in return.



We need a stud who doesn't play in the post. If we got a stud wing then we could talk about a guy like that, but not now.
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
Posts: 20,712
And1: 1,952
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1409 » by Krapinsky » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:59 pm

klomp44 wrote:Heres my question. Is it really a rookie PG that we need? I think a vet starting PG is more important. Someone like a Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Rafer Alston, etc. Nothing spectacular, but someone who can run the offense and won't cost an arm and a leg. I would offer guys like Telfair and Smith in return.


I think the rest of our players are far enough away that a rookie point guard would not hold us back. Heck, Lawson probably is more developed as far as where he is going to be than Brewer or Love at this point.
FinnTheHuman wrote: Your post is just garbage.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:Garbage post, indeed.
Dan's with the Wolves
Pro Prospect
Posts: 787
And1: 17
Joined: Nov 06, 2004

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1410 » by Dan's with the Wolves » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:52 pm

For the boston pick, who are the best perimeter defenders in the draft?
User avatar
john2jer
RealGM
Posts: 15,304
And1: 452
Joined: May 26, 2006
Location: State Of Total Awesomeness
 

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1411 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:35 pm

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:For the boston pick, who are the best perimeter defenders in the draft?


I'm available.
basketball royalty wrote:Is Miami considered a big city in the States? I thought guys just went there because of the weather and the bitches?
Dan's with the Wolves
Pro Prospect
Posts: 787
And1: 17
Joined: Nov 06, 2004

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1412 » by Dan's with the Wolves » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:47 pm

john2jer wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:For the boston pick, who are the best perimeter defenders in the draft?


I'm available.


Who would you say you can defend better Chris Paul or Lebron James? - Not necessarily shut them down but just force them to have a below average performance.
User avatar
john2jer
RealGM
Posts: 15,304
And1: 452
Joined: May 26, 2006
Location: State Of Total Awesomeness
 

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1413 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:02 pm

I have 6 fouls to give, and I have no problem donating my entire check to pay off a flagrant 2, so I'll slam either of them to the ground.

Image
basketball royalty wrote:Is Miami considered a big city in the States? I thought guys just went there because of the weather and the bitches?
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
Posts: 20,712
And1: 1,952
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1414 » by Krapinsky » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:07 pm

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:For the boston pick, who are the best perimeter defenders in the draft?


Terence Williams or Sam Young if they fall.

Danny Green could go that high. I could see a team like San Antonio drafting him.

Tyler Smith, KC Rivers, Antonio Anderson, and Travis Walton are all good perimeter defenders that could go 2nd round to undrafted.
FinnTheHuman wrote: Your post is just garbage.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:Garbage post, indeed.
Dan's with the Wolves
Pro Prospect
Posts: 787
And1: 17
Joined: Nov 06, 2004

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1415 » by Dan's with the Wolves » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:31 pm

john2jer wrote:I have 6 fouls to give, and I have no problem donating my entire check to pay off a flagrant 2, so I'll slam either of them to the ground.

Image


How many minutes before your 6 fouls are used up?
Dan's with the Wolves
Pro Prospect
Posts: 787
And1: 17
Joined: Nov 06, 2004

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1416 » by Dan's with the Wolves » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:33 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:For the boston pick, who are the best perimeter defenders in the draft?


Terence Williams or Sam Young if they fall.

Danny Green could go that high. I could see a team like San Antonio drafting him.

Tyler Smith, KC Rivers, Antonio Anderson, and Travis Walton are all good perimeter defenders that could go 2nd round to undrafted.


Which of one of these would you give a 1st round guaranteed contract to?
User avatar
john2jer
RealGM
Posts: 15,304
And1: 452
Joined: May 26, 2006
Location: State Of Total Awesomeness
 

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1417 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:37 pm

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:
john2jer wrote:I have 6 fouls to give, and I have no problem donating my entire check to pay off a flagrant 2, so I'll slam either of them to the ground.

Image


How many minutes before your 6 fouls are used up?


If my role is to get a flagrant on LeBron or Paul, then all I need is one minute and I won't even use all 6. I'll be the new LeBron Stopper!
basketball royalty wrote:Is Miami considered a big city in the States? I thought guys just went there because of the weather and the bitches?
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
Posts: 20,712
And1: 1,952
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1418 » by Krapinsky » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:47 pm

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:For the boston pick, who are the best perimeter defenders in the draft?


Terence Williams or Sam Young if they fall.

Danny Green could go that high. I could see a team like San Antonio drafting him.

Tyler Smith, KC Rivers, Antonio Anderson, and Travis Walton are all good perimeter defenders that could go 2nd round to undrafted.


Which of one of these would you give a 1st round guaranteed contract to?


Obviously Williams or Young. I suspect they'll go 16-25 though.

Depending on who was available, I would consider Green with the Boston pick. He plays great D and can hit the 3. He's probably already better than Brewer.
FinnTheHuman wrote: Your post is just garbage.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:Garbage post, indeed.
Frozen316
Pro Prospect
Posts: 806
And1: 0
Joined: Feb 07, 2006
Location: Here
Contact:

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1419 » by Frozen316 » Wed Apr 1, 2009 2:29 am

Image
User avatar
Mayoistooslow
Sophomore
Posts: 137
And1: 0
Joined: Jul 14, 2008

Re: College players thread/ Draft Related thread 

Post#1420 » by Mayoistooslow » Wed Apr 1, 2009 5:18 am

Anybody else worried that the Wolves will take Gerald Henderson? Don't get me wrong...he's a solid piece. But does anyone think maybe his ceiling is very very low, and that he'll end up as a role player?

Return to Minnesota Timberwolves