Howard, Bryant headline 2008-09 NBA All-Defensive First Team

Plastered · Post #1 » by **Plastered** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:08 pm

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/05/06/defensive.team/index.html

just makes me laugh at hollingers earlier projections. congrats kobe!

Post #2 » by **TyCobb** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:09 pm

Makes me laugh considering Kobe was like 7th or something on DPOY award.

magic1fan · Post #3 » by **magic1fan** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:24 pm

TyCobb wrote:Makes me laugh considering Kobe was like 7th or something on DPOY award.

i brought up the same point in my own thread...

Post #4 » by **TyCobb** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:24 pm

Yeah, I just saw that right now. Better titles would help.

magic1fan · Post #5 » by **magic1fan** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:29 pm

TyCobb wrote:Yeah, I just saw that right now. Better titles would help.

my bad...

Post #6 » by **crazyeights** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:56 pm

I just have a hard time believing the premiere stars of the league are the best defenders. I don't know, seems too much like a popularity contest.

Also...Pau got 1 vote? WTF? Really?

Post #7 » by **semi-sentient** » Wed May 6, 2009 8:58 pm

^^^ Derek "lock his ass down" Fisher also received a 1st place vote and 3 total.

EMB6903 · Post #8 » by **EMB6903** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:02 pm

I cant believe Kobe was named 1st team defender over Dwyane Wade when wade was 3rd in voting as the DPOY... Dwade got robbed big time

not to hate on Kobe but DWade had 100+ Blocks and 100+ steals this year, for a guard thats a major accomplishment.... Writers keep on hating on this guy for some reason.

Post #9 » by **semi-sentient** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:04 pm

EMB6903 wrote:I cant believe Kobe was named 1st team defender over Dwyane Wade... Dwade got robbed big time

not to hate on Kobe but DWade had 100+ Blocks and 100+ steals this year, for a guard thats a major accomplishment.... Writers keep on hating on this guy for some reason.

Kobe probably belongs up there as far as guards are concerned. The odd ball selection here is Chris Paul. The way I see it, he took Wade's spot.

Dexmor · Post #10 » by **Dexmor** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:06 pm

crazyeights wrote:I just have a hard time believing the premiere stars of the league are the best defenders. I don't know, seems too much like a popularity contest.

Also...Pau got 1 vote? WTF? Really?

I couldn't agree more. Paul over Artest and Battier? KG plays 57 games and gets it?
Lebron and Howard are the only ones on the first team that hands down should have won it.

EMB6903 · Post #11 » by **EMB6903** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:07 pm

semi-sentient wrote:
EMB6903 wrote:I cant believe Kobe was named 1st team defender over Dwyane Wade... Dwade got robbed big time

not to hate on Kobe but DWade had 100+ Blocks and 100+ steals this year, for a guard thats a major accomplishment.... Writers keep on hating on this guy for some reason.

Kobe probably belongs up there as far as guards are concerned. The odd ball selection here is Chris Paul. The way I see it, he took Wade's spot.

I was thinking Paul as well,... Definately not the best PG defender in the league regardless of the steals...Kobe, and Wade deserved it over Paul..The league had to put a Point guard on the list though which should have been Rondo.

Post #12 » by **semi-sentient** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:10 pm

EMB6903 wrote:
semi-sentient wrote:
EMB6903 wrote:I cant believe Kobe was named 1st team defender over Dwyane Wade... Dwade got robbed big time

not to hate on Kobe but DWade had 100+ Blocks and 100+ steals this year, for a guard thats a major accomplishment.... Writers keep on hating on this guy for some reason.

Kobe probably belongs up there as far as guards are concerned. The odd ball selection here is Chris Paul. The way I see it, he took Wade's spot.

I was thinking Paul as well,... Definately not the best PG defender in the league regardless of the steals...Kobe, and Wade deserved it over Paul..The league had to put a Point guard on the list though which should have been Rondo.

They aren't required to vote for a PG, only a guard. That's why you see 2 SF's on the 2nd team in Artest and Battier. They typically select 2 guards, 2 forwards, and 1 center, but I believe there have been situations where 3 guards have been selected in the past.

Post #13 » by **tkb** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:18 pm

Kobe was the only player that every coach that were eligible to vote actually voted for, so hard to argue against his selection. Not even Dwight the DPOY was on every ballot.

Fisher getting votes is messed up tho. He might be the worst defender at PG in the league.

Pau getting a vote isn't that bad. He's underrated as a defender as proven by last years playoffs where Boozer, Garnett and Duncan all had horrible shooting series against him (they were all around 40% FG%).

magic1fan · Post #14 » by **magic1fan** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:44 pm

crazyeights wrote:I just have a hard time believing the premiere stars of the league are the best defenders. I don't know, seems too much like a popularity contest.

Also...Pau got 1 vote? WTF? Really?

it's really about perception with pau. he is looked at as a finesse player,and therefore alot of his defense is underrated...

magic1fan · Post #15 » by **magic1fan** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:45 pm

tkb wrote:Kobe was the only player that every coach that were eligible to vote actually voted for, so hard to argue against his selection. Not even Dwight the DPOY was on every ballot.

Fisher getting votes is messed up tho. He might be the worst defender at PG in the league.

Pau getting a vote isn't that bad. He's underrated as a defender as proven by last years playoffs where Boozer, Garnett and Duncan all had horrible shooting series against him (they were all around 40% FG%).

i think so many people are wowed by alot of things kobe does offensively that sometimes fans forget about his defensive game. the only problem i have with kobe is he doesn't do it every game,but when he is locked in,i can't think of three players better...

Post #16 » by **milesfides** » Wed May 6, 2009 9:46 pm

EMB6903 wrote:I cant believe Kobe was named 1st team defender over Dwyane Wade when wade was 3rd in voting as the DPOY... Dwade got robbed big time

not to hate on Kobe but DWade had 100+ Blocks and 100+ steals this year, for a guard thats a major accomplishment.... Writers keep on hating on this guy for some reason.

First of all, the media votes for Defensive Player of the Year. Coaches vote for All Defensive Teams.

Who do you think has better insight into the game of basketball? Who do you think is more biased? Btw, coaches can't vote for their own players.

The one absolute you can take from this is that NBA head coaches admire and respect Kobe's defense more than Wade's. The media (and the writers you mentioned) admire Wade's more than Kobe's.

It always was like that with Kobe - utmost respect from the hoopheads, not so much from the media. Regarding the media-chosen MVP, before Kobe finally won his, Larry Bird was quoted as saying he wanted to throw his MVP trophies away considering Kobe never got one.

hermes · Post #17 » by **hermes** » Wed May 6, 2009 10:59 pm

fisher got votes? and more than ariza?

well congrats to all the lakers recognized

daddyfivestar · Post #18 » by **daddyfivestar** » Wed May 6, 2009 11:55 pm

Paul got a season's worth of credit for that steal deal.

KObe Bryant · Post #19 » by **KObe Bryant** » Thu May 7, 2009 1:08 am

So 55 points total for Dwight and 53 total for Kobe? Oh man I wish I could vote :lol: