Ack!: Hinrich for #6?

[skorff26]

You're way too concerned about filling ONE hole on a team that has many. Why do you want to mortgage the future for filling one need? How is filling one need out of many going to solve our problems? The fact of the matter is, we won 24 games last year. I don't agree with your assumption but assume we would've won 30 games with a healthy Al. Hinrich at best improves us 5-10 wins. So being generous, we win 40 games next year with Hinrich. To be a playoff team in the West, you need to win minimum 48 games (and even then you might not make it ex. Warriors two years ago). With our 40 win team, we just miss the playoffs so we get a low lottery pick (12-14) and we have no cap space. How do you suppose we make that leap from 40 to 50 wins when we have no cap space and no significant draft pick?

Our long term plan has been to rebuild through the draft and clear cap space to sign a big time free agent. If we can strike gold with our #6 pick this year and sign a good free agent in 2010, we will be a 50 win team.

Its filling the biggest hole on any roster in the entire league, its not just any hole i'm talking about here.

Telfair is awful at both ends of the floor playing one of the two positions that have the largest impact on how the rest of plays. He brings nothing to the table offensively to make up for his defense and nothing defensively to make up for his offense.

Its quite clear that he limits his team mates and in order to get a clear idea of how much he limits them you need a good PG around before you can know what you already have here.

As for getting better after Hinrich gets you to 40 or so wins? You think that Love, #6, Jefferson, Foye, Pekovic are as good as they'll get?

You think that Hinrich won't have trade value?

You think that free agents are less likely to sign here if the team doesn't suck then if the team sucks?

I've heard mention that at least Telfair makes backup PG money unlike many other backup PG's, who gives a damn if he makes the league minimum he still doesn't help cause he is awful. The Wolves could be paying Chalmers 750K right now and have a far better starting PG.

It is the biggest hole on our roster. That is why we will draft Holliday or Evans.

[AQuintus]

Out of the pg spot we need athletic, defensive ability. As well as someone that can get into the paint and create. Someone who can run the p-n-r/p with Love as well as pass and spot up.

So which of the prospects have these skills?

I don't think that any of them fit all of those requirements.

Out of the top guys:

Rubio - Not athletic, good defense, questionable ability to get in the paint (should be fine, though), good p-n-r play, poor shooting.

Holiday - Average athlete, good defense, should be able to get into the paint, good p-n-r, poor shooting (should get better), questionable Point Guard credentials.

Jennings - Great Athlete, poor defense, should definitely be able to get into the paint, good p-n-r, poor shooting.

Curry - Poor athlete, poor defense, questionable ability to get in the paint (should be fine, though), not sure about p-n-r, great shooter.

Flynn - Good athlete, questionable defense, good ability to get into the paint, good p-n-r, decent shooting.

I think that Flynn probaly meets the most requirements, but Jennings and Rubio are probably the only ones with star potential.

Edit: Just realized that I forgot Evans, but I don't think he'll be playing the Point in the NBA, anyway.

[revprodeji]

Since when is Holiday's pg credentials questioned? Other than just the young guy development stuff.

[AQuintus]

Since when is Holiday's pg credentials questioned? Other than just the young guy development stuff.

I mention this because he played very little PG in college. Personally, I think he should be fine.

[john2jer]

Westbrook played very little PG in college as well.

Holiday has a very nice looking shot. It's just a matter of getting it to fall. That's not an issue I'm too concerned about. Range is maybe his only concern as far as shooting goes. I have faith that Holiday will be a stud.

[ChazzleDazzle]

I would also disagree that Curry is a poor defender. He's not a lockdown 1 on 1 defender, but he's quick enough to stay in front of most PG's. Probably could get posted up by bigger ones though.

On the plus side, he plays passing lanes really well, and picks up a bunch of steals from jumping passes.

I don't think he's a great defender, but poor is not giving him enough credit...

[invno1]

Cat Quick

[the_bruce]

curry should be able to play the pnr better than all of these guys. He would be fine at the 1 in the nba.

[john2jer]

Curry will look great in New York with LeBron.

[invno1]

Could it be Mellow the Syracuse kid in New York? and LeBron taking the Nike contract in CHI?

[john2jer]

Marshmellow's not a FA until 2011, though. He didn't sign the same contract, so he has to wait a year. Hmm, maybe they get LeBron in 2010, and Caramel in 2011 when Curry and Jeffries expire.

Which works because Carmen Tony hates defense anyways.

[Dewey]

Edit: Just realized that I forgot Evans, but I don't think he'll be playing the Point in the NBA, anyway
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Evans is rumored to be the best pick-n-roll guard in the draft and one of the top 3 getting finishing in the paint. Yes, he will likely play some PG in the NBA.

The rap on him is his play off the ball. Athletically, he's fine and has it going on defense. The strength thing has thrown some interest off and many believe he's weak because he cannot bench-press well with those very long arms. I have seen him play enough to know I like him, but not a enough to see if he really does have some major flaws with agility (I doubt it).

[john2jer]

Durant has one rep on the bench press, right?

[Dewey]

Yes, half of the drills at these tryouts/combines have very little impact on evaluating a player. The media is great at magnifying any little difference from one the player to the next ... that crap helps them blow smoke when they try to backup the order of their mock draft. Just read some of those blurbs behind a players name in a mock draft ... you'll often see statistical bs because they've never seen the player and are strictly going off hear say.

[JMillott]

I have no issue with not dealing for Hinrich if the price isn't right but if we're talking about guys like Gomes, Telfair, Smith, Madsen or Cardinal being packaged with a late 1st rounder i'm not sure how that has any backlash?

I don't want to give up Miller or the #6 pick for him i've never said otherwise in this thread. I'm very high on Holiday, Harden or Evans with that pick and no trade for Hinrich that i'm in favor of doesn't fit with any of those picks.

[revprodeji]

Evans is rumored to be the best pick-n-roll guard in the draft and one of the top 3 getting finishing in the paint. Yes, he will likely play some PG in the NBA. .

Rubio is considered one of the best pg prospects at the pick in roll that we have seen in a long time. Evans does not have that same skill level.

[JMillott]

I don't really think Evans is a PG at the NBA level. A ball dominant SG who can play some minutes at PG sure but if he plays PG fulltime we're talking about 4+ turnovers a game in my opinion. You can live with if it comes with 6/7 assists and Wade or Arenas type scoring efficiency which quite frankly is about as likely as Brewer turning into Pippen.