OT: UFC 100

[Worm Guts]

Then so is Boxing, Rugby, Football, and Professional Wrestling. Each of which I can site more cases of serious injury or death in the past 15 years.

It would be different if the two athletes were unwilling participants. These guys generally have a great respect for their opponents, and the love what they do. Their cuts are superficial, their bruises heal.

If people don't like it, they don't have to watch it. But if they are going on some sort of morality witch hunt, then their list is about to get a lot longer. MMA quickly falls down that list.

Boxing is in the same realm since the goal of the sport is to hurt the other participant. In the other sports, injury is just collateral damage. Even you want to put all those sports in the same category, that doesn't change the argument against MMA.

[Devilzsidewalk]

the goal of every sport is to make money, therefore the goal is fan entertainment. Whatever entertains fans is where they'll go, and violent actions are usually apart of that. I don't think anybody wants permanent or serious injuries, but they do like to toe the line. Humans like to push the envelope, and with that mentality, sometimes we go to far, just how things go.

[Worm Guts]

the goal of every sport is to make money, therefore the goal is fan entertainment. Whatever entertains fans is where they'll go, and violent actions are usually apart of that. I don't think anybody wants permanent or serious injuries, but they do like to toe the line. Humans like to push the envelope, and with that mentality, sometimes we go to far, just how things go.

The goal of every sport isn't to make money, that's the goal of every business. The goal of sports is fun, and that includes MMA but thats not really what I meant by goal of the sport. You win at boxing or MMA by injuring your opponent. You don't win a football game by giving an opponent a concussion.

[Worm Guts]

Would it be OK to watch humans fight to the death if they were willing participants? It's not the same thing, but it does prove that there's a line we shouldn't cross.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I know what you're saying, that the basic rules in MMA are to defeat your opponent physically whether by KO or submission or points, but I'm just saying that in professional sports they want to make money and they'll allow people's body's to be damaged within reason to do so if thats what the fans want.

When there's patterns of serious injuries to the head they change the rules, but generally the stuff that wears people down they let go. It's why they allow safeties to go full bore into somebody and hit them - they could easily disallow those shoulder hits that beat the hell out of generally defenseless WRs since its no hassle and more reliable to do a proper wrap tackle, but the safeties are trying to crush people and the NFL doesn't mind because they use those hits to advertise their league, thats what people like.

Would it be OK to watch humans fight to the death if they were willing participants? It's not the same thing, but it does prove that there's a line we shouldn't cross.

that's not what people want though, I don't know anybody that would want to watch that and I can't imagine any competitors wanting that.

[Worm Guts]

Would it be OK to watch humans fight to the death if they were willing participants? It's not the same thing, but it does prove that there's a line we shouldn't cross.

that's not what people want though, I don't know anybody that would want to watch that and I can't imagine any competitors wanting that.

About 2000 year ago, it was what people wanted to see. If it was made legal, I'm guessing there would be a few willing participants.

[Devilzsidewalk]

but there were mostly unwilling participants, and eventually society decided they didn't want to see it and it was done away with. Maybe MMA will end up that way too, but for now the reality is all the participants are eager and willing and the safety record is fine and there's no real reason for being against it other than people that a few people that aren't involved in any way with the sport are uncomfortable watching somebody get hit

[Zeitgeister]

Would it be OK to watch humans fight to the death if they were willing participants? It's not the same thing, but it does prove that there's a line we shouldn't cross.

that's not what people want though, I don't know anybody that would want to watch that and I can't imagine any competitors wanting that.

Don't forget about the Kumite.

[Ricky ROY Rubio]

wow revs such a puss. boxing is awesome. the ufc is too. i dont really watch any other mma orgs that much. only fedor, brett rogers and some others.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Would it be OK to watch humans fight to the death if they were willing participants? It's not the same thing, but it does prove that there's a line we shouldn't cross.

that's not what people want though, I don't know anybody that would want to watch that and I can't imagine any competitors wanting that.

Don't forget about the Kumite.

but in the Kumite didn't he kill that guy and then everybody turned their back on him because he disgraced the sanctity of the tournament? Or maybe that was The Quest, I get confused since the movies were exactly the same.

wow revs such a puss. boxing is awesome. the ufc is too. i dont really watch any other mma orgs that much. only fedor, brett rogers and some others.

Rev is just non-supportive of violence in the form of entertainment and saying fighting should be used only in protection I think. That's understandable. Personally I say all life is an abomination of God so we should strive to destroy ourselves to win His glory.

[shrink]

wow revs such a puss.

Rev is the baddest bad ass of us all (the rest of us are just plain old asses).

I've enjoyed this discussion because both sides have made great points and have been respectful of each other's views. That doesn't happen in most forums.

[revprodeji]

wow revs such a puss. boxing is awesome. the ufc is too. i dont really watch any other mma orgs that much. only fedor, brett rogers and some others.

The great argument of "its awesome".

I am a what? Could you explain? I am really interested. I am hardly a pacifist if that is what you are suggesting. (not that anything is wrong with pacifists)

[funkatron101]

wow revs such a puss. boxing is awesome. the ufc is too. i dont really watch any other mma orgs that much. only fedor, brett rogers and some others.

The great argument of "its awesome".

I am a what? Could you explain? I am really interested. I am hardly a pacifist if that is what you are suggesting. (not that anything is wrong with pacifists)

You should fight him! And record it for our entertainment!

[revprodeji]

I would but I would hate to get 8 years like Cameron Poe.

[Esohny]

I would but I would hate to get 8 years like Cameron Poe.

Don't be that guy. Nic Cage is a complete sally.

[revprodeji]

I wonder if that law still exists. if a special ops soldier with combat experience and training is considered a "lethal weapon" if fighting in a case of self-defense. I should probably look that up.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I thought you said you have Ilguaskas feet, can't I win the fight with a brisk walking pace?

[revprodeji]

I have bad feet. I am a disabled Vet with the whole VA status. But I am only 26 and take different pain killers and other pills and I can do most things. I am still active with Basketball, Tae Kwon Do and Tennis. I am confident I am one of the few people you know that could kill you and leave almost no proof.

[Devilzsidewalk]

what fun is it to kill somebody unless you can brag about it to all your friends