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Re: Weird CHA/NOH Trade 

Post#21 » by Zin5 » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:16 pm

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andy582 wrote:Perk/Scal/TA for Okafor works in the checker.



I would rather keep Perkins.

Don't kid yourself. Okafor can do everything that Perk does and a whole lot more. He and maybe Nene are the only two players that could flawlessly slide into Perk's role, but both could do a whole lot more.
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Re: Weird CHA/NOH Trade 

Post#22 » by Bluewhale » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:52 pm

Zin5 wrote:
bonsaiflipflops wrote:
andy582 wrote:Perk/Scal/TA for Okafor works in the checker.



I would rather keep Perkins.

Don't kid yourself. Okafor can do everything that Perk does and a whole lot more. He and maybe Nene are the only two players that could flawlessly slide into Perk's role, but both could do a whole lot more.


Perkin can contain DHoward. I am pretty sure Okafor cannot.
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Post#23 » by Mahoney_jr » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:19 pm

I'm not sold anymore on Okafor (sadly). At least I understand why they wanted to deal him. But it remains to be seen if Chandler can stay healthy.
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Post#24 » by Banks2Pierce » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:02 pm

I read that NO is getting the Charlotte 1st rounder this year, too. Kind of ridiculous when you consider how bad the Bobcats will be. I bet it's unprotected, too.
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Post#25 » by Dirty Water » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:04 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:I read that NO is getting the Charlotte 1st rounder this year, too. Kind of ridiculous when you consider how bad the Bobcats will be. I bet it's unprotected, too.
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Post#26 » by aboubata » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:14 pm

Wow, they do get a first rounder.

Do the bobcats think it is the only way they can compete. Having someone to defend shaq/dwight...
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Post#27 » by campybatman » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:21 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:I read that NO is getting the Charlotte 1st rounder this year, too. Kind of ridiculous when you consider how bad the Bobcats will be. I bet it's unprotected, too.



Cool. Then I was right in what I'd surmised. I knew it!

I like Okafor, but I dislike his contract. Kudos to Charlotte. As I'd said before, I like the trade for them. I don't like it for New Orleans.

Edit: I don't see any mention of New Orleans acquiring a first round pick from Charlotte.



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Post#28 » by Zin5 » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:23 pm

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Zin5 wrote:
bonsaiflipflops wrote:Don't kid yourself. Okafor can do everything that Perk does and a whole lot more. He and maybe Nene are the only two players that could flawlessly slide into Perk's role, but both could do a whole lot more.


Perkin can contain DHoward. I am pretty sure Okafor cannot.

From their last two meetings:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200902200CHA.html
Held Howard to 13.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904150ORL.html
Held Howard to 10.
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Post#29 » by Dirty Water » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:33 pm

There is no pick involved. It's a straight swap. The confusion was the article mentions the "bobcats first draft pick" refering to Okafor, who is the franchise's first draft pick ever. Bad reporting by Real GM.
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Post#30 » by thruthefire » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:22 am



And he held Howard to 4 points in the first meeting.

In between that, though, Howard did go off for 45 in an overtime win.
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Post#31 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:43 am

Okafor would be the perfect player for the celts at center. He is better than perkins, and enough so that I think the extra cash he gets paid over perkins still makes me prefer okafor. I would like to have known if Ainge inquired.

Charlotte has to believe Chandler has something special because okafor is a terrific player.

The guy is on a decent contract for production and is already a sure double-double. Great trade for NO.

Okafor has pretty much panned out in the NBA. What else does Charlotte want? Stupid trade. Guy isn't great, but is borderline all-star. With CP3? He could be going for 17 or 18, 13 or something like that.
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Post#32 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:51 am

I just thought of something -- Okafor has a reasonable chance to be an all-star next year, depending on whether one or both of Duncan and Nowitski is listed as a center.
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Post#33 » by sully00 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:18 pm

I like Okafor and he is a good defensive player, while he is a better player than Perkins he isn't a better defensive Center than Perkins. If we didn't have KG and Sheed I would want Okafor over Perk but with the other two I think I would lean towards Perkins length and physical presence over the upgrade in production, as well as higher price. Perk isn't some sort of Dwight stopper or anything but he does allow you to single up big time post players you would otherwise have to double.
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Post#34 » by campybatman » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:02 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:I just thought of something -- Okafor has a reasonable chance to be an all-star next year, depending on whether one or both of Duncan and Nowitski is listed as a center.



Interestingly, with Yao and S. O'Neal out, players such as Okafor, A. Jefferson, Biedrins, Nene and Kaman all have a legitimate chance now. Oden's another possibility as well.

I wonder if Duncan and Stoudemire will be listed as centers.
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Post#35 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:51 pm

Charlotte coach Larry Brown was willing to jettison the Bobcats' first draft pick in a deal involving 26-year-old centers, a trade that brought different financial relief to both teams and hopes they'll thrive under different big men.



Yea, this is poorly worded IMO. I guess jettison would have to be a person, but still.
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Post#36 » by yodi184 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:01 pm

Bobcats are trying to unload long-term contracts prior to when they sell the team (re: Chandler's expiring contract).. Okafor here is undervalued, especially that he was played in lesser minutes under Larry Brown.. One interesting fact though is that both players have had injury history, with Chandler's a little worse while Okafor playing all of last season.

Regardless, my theory is that NOH is still trying to save money long-term, and they just felt Okafor would be a better asset and trading bait than Chandler.. They took advantage of the fact that Okafor was under-appreciated, and that the team was about to be sold.

For now, the West-Okafor tandem doesn't look good to me. By pairing them, you force Byron Scott to play slow offense, which doesn't necessarily make full use of Chris Paul. It's almost similar to the Big Al and Kevin Love predicament in Minny, where two redundant players won't mesh well especially if your coach/system doesn't allow it
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Post#37 » by Jimmy103 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:56 am

yodi184 wrote:Bobcats are trying to unload long-term contracts prior to when they sell the team (re: Chandler's expiring contract).. Okafor here is undervalued, especially that he was played in lesser minutes under Larry Brown.. One interesting fact though is that both players have had injury history, with Chandler's a little worse while Okafor playing all of last season.

Regardless, my theory is that NOH is still trying to save money long-term, and they just felt Okafor would be a better asset and trading bait than Chandler.. They took advantage of the fact that Okafor was under-appreciated, and that the team was about to be sold.

For now, the West-Okafor tandem doesn't look good to me. By pairing them, you force Byron Scott to play slow offense, which doesn't necessarily make full use of Chris Paul. It's almost similar to the Big Al and Kevin Love predicament in Minny, where two redundant players won't mesh well especially if your coach/system doesn't allow it



Chandler has a player option for 2010-11.

If they really wanted cap relief, why not deal with OKC? Or any team with a large expiring. Okafor's value can't be below an expiring. And OKC wouldn't sign Okafor to 5 years/$60 million right now? I dunno about that.
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Post#38 » by yodi184 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:49 am

Jimmy103 wrote:
yodi184 wrote:Bobcats are trying to unload long-term contracts prior to when they sell the team (re: Chandler's expiring contract).. Okafor here is undervalued, especially that he was played in lesser minutes under Larry Brown.. One interesting fact though is that both players have had injury history, with Chandler's a little worse while Okafor playing all of last season.

Regardless, my theory is that NOH is still trying to save money long-term, and they just felt Okafor would be a better asset and trading bait than Chandler.. They took advantage of the fact that Okafor was under-appreciated, and that the team was about to be sold.

For now, the West-Okafor tandem doesn't look good to me. By pairing them, you force Byron Scott to play slow offense, which doesn't necessarily make full use of Chris Paul. It's almost similar to the Big Al and Kevin Love predicament in Minny, where two redundant players won't mesh well especially if your coach/system doesn't allow it



Chandler has a player option for 2010-11.

If they really wanted cap relief, why not deal with OKC? Or any team with a large expiring. Okafor's value can't be below an expiring. And OKC wouldn't sign Okafor to 5 years/$60 million right now? I dunno about that.


well, two is still significantly less than five.. in selling the team, the expiring contract doesn't have to be next year.. just my hunch though

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