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Post#41 » by KF10 » Sun Aug 9, 2009 7:10 am

Well Beno really has only one way to go and thats up. Will he ever be where he was last summer when he was a coveted (word used loosely) free agent? I think with the falling cap and free agent talent going for so little now, we will have to just bend over and take Beno's contract. I really think he will not be able to be moved.


Well, to be fair, Beno's production from last year and this year isn't too far off.

07-08:
12.8 points
3.3 rebounds
4.3 assists/2.3 TO
1 steal

46.4% FG
38.7% 3PT

Advance stats:
PER: 13.7
TS%: .540%
eFG%: .501%
ASR: 23.4

08-09:
11.0 points
3.0 rebounds
4.7 assists/2.2 TO
1.2 steal

46.1% FG
31.0% 3PT

Advance stats:
PER: 12.3
TS%: .525%
eFG%: .486%
ASR: 27.1

Obviously, his long range abilities decreased somehow and points per game is decreased as well. But other those significant areas, Beno is pretty much the same thing from last year but with a higher assist ratio; meaning taking care of the ball better/more assists per possession (as strange as it sounds. i.e. remember after the huge trade of Salmons/Miller? Beno's A/TO ratio has increased greatly and he was taking care of the ball much better). I would like to believe that Kenny Natt was one prime factor of Beno's lack of production. If I can recall, Beno usually talked about Natt's system as not ideal to his playing style. And Natt didn't trust Beno on the being the primary ball handler/point guard for his system. Hopefully, Westphal would change that. His system (I would assume more uptempo) would fit Beno's playing style pretty well.

The question is then Kingsfan10, if Beno doesn't bounce back like we hope, when do we decide to just bench him and move on (Tinsley, K9, etc)? How many wins will we sacrifice before we decide there is no bounce back. Again this is a worst case scenario question, because best case he bounces back and becomes a good 6th man and there is no question what to do with him then.


If and only if Beno does not bounce back, I can see him being in the dog house i.e. Kenny Thomas treatment. Well, not as bad as Kenny Thomas situation but I'm pretty sure he won't receive any more valuable/significant minutes anymore. But the point is moot because I believe he will bounce back. Image
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#42 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Aug 9, 2009 5:11 pm

That's the thing about Beno is that he is really NOT a half court player, but rather an open court (Euro) style player. I really hope that given Westphal runs a more uptempo, open-court transition style, he wil flourish.
If things go that way, it will be a really ideal development environment for Tyreke that will keep the performance pressure off of him.
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Post#43 » by ICMTM » Sun Aug 9, 2009 7:07 pm

I don't think Beno played horrible last year. I think the expectations on him were too high and he can't produce at that level.
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Post#44 » by KF10 » Sun Aug 9, 2009 10:15 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:That's the thing about Beno is that he is really NOT a half court player, but rather an open court (Euro) style player. I really hope that given Westphal runs a more uptempo, open-court transition style, he wil flourish.
If things go that way, it will be a really ideal development environment for Tyreke that will keep the performance pressure off of him.


I agree. I noticed that Beno is bit more comfortable when the tempo is being pushed down the court.

ICMTM wrote:I don't think Beno played horrible last year. I think the expectations on him were too high and he can't produce at that level.


Yeah, the expectation were high. If I can recall, the former Kings coach, Reggie Theus, wanted Beno to play more like a pure point guard and wanted him to average around seven assists or so per game. I don't think that is very realistic because I don't think he can consistently average that and Beno is more of a scoring point guard than a playmaker.
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Post#45 » by pillwenney » Sun Aug 9, 2009 10:53 pm

I expect that Beno, with starters minutes should be able to consistently average 13-14PPG, 6APG with not much over 2 TOPG. After the trade last year, his assist/TO became downright good, but his scoring seemed to suffer a little.
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Post#46 » by $mooth » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:05 am

no way the kings will sign sessions. there is no room for him on the team. i dont wanna hear the stuff about sessions being signed and evans being mentored by him due to not starting. evans can start and play pg for the kings. they arent gonna win this year so they need to start evans and see if he is the pg of the future and if he isnt then john wall or a free agent in 2010 to fill the spot. plus we have beno and sergio thats way to much money invested in the point guard spot.
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Post#47 » by WiscoKing13 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:49 am

hey kings fans, i'm trying to come up with a TI

So i'm getting different cap numbers from different interenet sites.

So the question is, are the kings over the salary cap?
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Post#48 » by Smills91 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:23 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:hey kings fans, i'm trying to come up with a TI

So i'm getting different cap numbers from different interenet sites.

So the question is, are the kings over the salary cap?


No we're roughly 5.5 million under the salary cap after the Sean May signing.
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#49 » by Wolfay » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:51 am

Smills91 wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:hey kings fans, i'm trying to come up with a TI

So i'm getting different cap numbers from different interenet sites.

So the question is, are the kings over the salary cap?


No we're roughly 5.5 million under the salary cap after the Sean May signing.


We can use that extra dough to feed Sean May.
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#50 » by WiscoKing13 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:00 am

Smills91 wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:hey kings fans, i'm trying to come up with a TI

So i'm getting different cap numbers from different interenet sites.

So the question is, are the kings over the salary cap?


No we're roughly 5.5 million under the salary cap after the Sean May signing.

Well the only thing I can come up with(that i'm sure was already posted)
Thomas
for
Gadz
Sessions
Weems or Sharpe(one of them insurance is covering, I don't remember which)
3 mil in cash

It could make some sense if your thinking about it this way

your saying roughly 2 mil in cash this year compared to thomas, who are both zero production
Next year your only paying gadz 4.25 with the 3 mil factored in
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#51 » by Smills91 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:33 am

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Smills91 wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:hey kings fans, i'm trying to come up with a TI

So i'm getting different cap numbers from different interenet sites.

So the question is, are the kings over the salary cap?


No we're roughly 5.5 million under the salary cap after the Sean May signing.

Well the only thing I can come up with(that i'm sure was already posted)
Thomas
for
Gadz
Sessions
Weems or Sharpe(one of them insurance is covering, I don't remember which)
3 mil in cash

It could make some sense if your thinking about it this way

your saying roughly 2 mil in cash this year compared to thomas, who are both zero production
Next year your only paying gadz 4.25 with the 3 mil factored in



The deal I've been eyeing is this:

Milwaukee gives: Gadz, Sessions(SnT)
Milwaukee receives: Thomas

Kings give: Thomas Beno
Kings receive: Curry, Gadz, Sessions(SnT)

Knicks give: Curry
Knicks receive: Udrih, TPE
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Post#52 » by OGSactownballer » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:59 pm

I honestly don't mind that because it still leaves us some flexibility next year, but even better is that it frees up a bunch of space in 2011 (which most people are ignoring because of 2010 but should have some interesting FA's) and that is after the new CBA will go into effect which could be a franchise changing time to have money freed (especially if the league gets their way and overall salary revenue share % goes down).
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Post#53 » by Smills91 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:23 am

OGSactownballer wrote:I honestly don't mind that because it still leaves us some flexibility next year, but even better is that it frees up a bunch of space in 2011 (which most people are ignoring because of 2010 but should have some interesting FA's) and that is after the new CBA will go into effect which could be a franchise changing time to have money freed (especially if the league gets their way and overall salary revenue share % goes down).


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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#54 » by sd_kingsfan » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:21 am

Smills91 wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:I honestly don't mind that because it still leaves us some flexibility next year, but even better is that it frees up a bunch of space in 2011 (which most people are ignoring because of 2010 but should have some interesting FA's) and that is after the new CBA will go into effect which could be a franchise changing time to have money freed (especially if the league gets their way and overall salary revenue share % goes down).


You see, my politics DO WORK in a basketball setting. Capitalism works 100% of the time it's tried! :lol:


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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#55 » by Draino » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:13 am

Wolfay wrote:
Smills91 wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:hey kings fans, i'm trying to come up with a TI

So i'm getting different cap numbers from different interenet sites.

So the question is, are the kings over the salary cap?


No we're roughly 5.5 million under the salary cap after the Sean May signing.


We can use that extra dough to feed Sean May.



you know sometimes all these jokes about sean may get old you know? he is an ok player, he's not the first or the last player that had a few extra pounds.... ease up on the guy, you won't be saying that when he gets 10/5 on a daily basis
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#56 » by Draino » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:15 am

Smills91 wrote:

The deal I've been eyeing is this:

Milwaukee gives: Gadz, Sessions(SnT)
Milwaukee receives: Thomas

Kings give: Thomas Beno
Kings receive: Curry, Gadz, Sessions(SnT)

Knicks give: Curry
Knicks receive: Udrih, TPE


you know I would actually REALLY REALLY love that deal, who knew Kenny Thomas' value would be one of the highest on this team lol
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#57 » by raferfenix » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:29 pm

Bucks fan here----it's very hard to judge how our GM views Sessions, as he's been very tight lipped throughotu the process. We do know that every team that has been seriously linked to him have also been linked to sign and trade proposals (NYK and LAC), so presumably those teams are worried Hammond will match whatever they were offering.

However, our GM and coach alike also have not been effusive at all in praise for Sessions, even during his best stretches last season. This comes in stark contrast to how they've been pumping up Jennings as a primary face of the franchise already, and if our team thinks Sessions would hinder his development it becomes much dicier whether we would resign him even on the cheap. That is very different than losing him for nothing though, which is why so many of us think a sign and trade of some kind of coming.

From my standpoint, I think we'd have a very hard time turning down a sign and trade where we dump Gadz. I'm hoping we can get that with LAC though where we pick up Camby (who we also pursued last offseason), as he's dramatically better than Kenny Thomas.

Anyways, if the clippers aren't offering that (very possible considering how much they have invested in Baron Davis already), the Kings could be the front runner. There have been Knicks sign and trade talks centering around David Lee going on all summer seemingly, but I'm far from convinced anything will break on that both given how concerned NY is about 2010 and for the Bucks not thinking Lee will be a great fit/worth his contract here.
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Re: Kings interested in Sessions? 

Post#58 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:56 am

If the Kings wanted Sessions they'd just sign him. What was that report? Something about the Bucks not wanting to go over 3 mil.? If that's true the Kings could easily do that, IF they really wanted him. I don't buy it, the only reason I see it as plausible is if Beno was going out in return, which I don't see the Bucks doing since they'd just re-sign Sessions if they wanted a MLE PG.

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