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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1541 » by tmoore » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:19 am

Lapinski wrote:
tmoore wrote:Hear the Sixers may go to camp with 17 players, though none of the 2-3 wing players competing for what could be the 13th spot have been finalized. Christmas' non-guaranteed invitation stands, though he could go to Europe or to another camp.


Any word or speculation on who those players might be?


Had heard they were interested in guys like Stephen Graham, Joey Graham, Linton Johnson and Rodney Carney. Would guess they are in the mix, though Carney wants a guarantee and the Sixers may not be willing to offer one.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1542 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:53 am

Has Stefanski realized that no man is gonna work for free? Come on, people need a job. Give Carney 2 yr guarantee
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1543 » by sweetlou23 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:31 pm

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ankle420breaker wrote: I hope I'm wrong, but I think those expecting his loss to be masked by the Princeton offense or the apparently imminent rise of Lou Williams, are in for a rude awakening.


Replacing a solid PG/scorer with an erratic one is a big loss, but there are other areas where the team might be improved. I think if Brand returns to some semblance of his former self and we see continued improvement by Iguodala, Young and Speights the team could end up being O.K.


Actually, those who are thinking that lou is not going to step up and become one of the leaders of this franchise are going to very surprised.
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Post#1544 » by 83SixersRocked » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:47 pm

sweetlou23 wrote:Actually, those who are thinking that lou is not going to step up and become one of the leaders of this franchise are going to very surprised.


I think we'd all love to be surprised. He just has to show it, that's all.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1545 » by Gsraider » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:47 pm

sweetlou23 wrote:Actually, those who are thinking that lou is not going to step up and become one of the leaders of this franchise are going to very surprised.


Count me among that grouping, although I'm hoping against hope that you are right about this because I'll certainly be rooting for him.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1546 » by ankle420breaker » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:48 pm

sweetlou23 wrote:
tk76 wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote: I hope I'm wrong, but I think those expecting his loss to be masked by the Princeton offense or the apparently imminent rise of Lou Williams, are in for a rude awakening.


Replacing a solid PG/scorer with an erratic one is a big loss, but there are other areas where the team might be improved. I think if Brand returns to some semblance of his former self and we see continued improvement by Iguodala, Young and Speights the team could end up being O.K.


Actually, those who are thinking that lou is not going to step up and become one of the leaders of this franchise are going to very surprised.


And this bold statement is based on what?
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1547 » by dbodner » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:04 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
sweetlou23 wrote:Actually, those who are thinking that lou is not going to step up and become one of the leaders of this franchise are going to very surprised.


And this bold statement is based on what?


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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1548 » by sixersinsider » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:42 am

Lou willams is a major offensive talent He has above average court vision and is able to feed players in the post.....(Dalembert Speights) both had higher rates of sucsses when they were on the court with lou.Lou never will be a pure PG and neither will(monta ellis tony parker devin harris)While as not as talented as any of these type of players he has greater court vision then all of the above.
We will witness lou break his man down and get to the basket 15 times a game this year.This will translate to a respectable :lol: BRAND :lol: of basketball.Lou is in the same age range as a (bayless maynor lawson)Most importantly Lou plays with heart
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1549 » by tmoore » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:45 pm

Ironic that the Raptors may trade Marcus Banks for Matt Carroll -- essentially replacing Kapono, who went to the Sixers, as a shooter with Carroll.
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Post#1550 » by tmoore » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:55 pm

As for Lou Williams, looks like he's going to get his chance. Will he be the player who, in Ed Stefanski's words "did not have a good (first) 60 percent of last year"? Or will he be more aggressive with the ball, get to the foul line, set up teammates and work hard on defense? For the Sixers' sake, it had better be the latter.
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Post#1551 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:11 pm

tmoore wrote:As for Lou Williams, looks like he's going to get his chance. Will he be the player who, in Ed Stefanski's words "did not have a good (first) 60 percent of last year"? Or will he be more aggressive with the ball, get to the foul line, set up teammates and work hard on defense? For the Sixers' sake, it had better be the latter.


Agreed. A good portion of our fate next season will be tied to Lou.
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Post#1552 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:16 pm

tmoore wrote:Ironic that the Raptors may trade Marcus Banks for Matt Carroll -- essentially replacing Kapono, who went to the Sixers, as a shooter with Carroll.


The Raptors let go of Parker and Kapono, but they have no shortage of outside shooters. Along with Calderon and Bargnani they just added Turkoglu, Bellineli, and Jack. All of whom are capable 3pt shooters. Carrol would give them another lights out shooter, but he's got a long contract. Toronto has a real European feel to them this year, but whether or not they can defend remains to be seen.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1553 » by 83SixersRocked » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:20 pm

sixersinsider wrote:Lou willams is a major offensive talent He has above average court vision and is able to feed players in the post.....(Dalembert Speights) both had higher rates of sucsses when they were on the court with lou.Lou never will be a pure PG and neither will(monta ellis tony parker devin harris)While as not as talented as any of these type of players he has greater court vision then all of the above.
We will witness lou break his man down and get to the basket 15 times a game this year.This will translate to a respectable :lol: BRAND :lol: of basketball.Lou is in the same age range as a (bayless maynor lawson)Most importantly Lou plays with heart


If he makes the right passes, takes the right shots, plays D and keeps the TOs down, he could add some Ws. If he's taking 15 shots, that's too many.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1554 » by corwin » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:46 pm

Tom,
It seems like Phx & Dallas really need a center. Has there been any discussion between those teams & the Sixers about Sam? Also, do you think Ed is having second thoughts about keeping Sam since there is no other real center on the team?
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1555 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:12 pm

Andre Miller for the record took 13 shots per game. 15 would only be 2 more then Miller, and isn't he a "Pass-First PG"? Okay, that's it for my Miller bashing but I cannot take the over-ratedness of him.

He was an Isolation PG, on a team that was strictly isolation it had less ball movement then the Allen Iverson Sixers.

Everyone wondered if without A.I/Webber if we would be more pass oriented. Barely, if at all any difference. Mostly because Isolation was Mo Cheeks forte.

That's why I'm looking forward to Eddie Jordan, If nothing else, we will see ball movement and good offense. That alone will get butts in the seat.

Tom: May I ask you a question: Did you enjoy their half-court, isolation team? Did you enjoy their inability to create ANY kind of shot?

You could watch the first game of the season, record it and pretend different results and jerseys and that's your season. That's how boring they were. Now fans can ask "Will Lou handle the PT? If he's a good PG And Jrue is, how long will he be able to keep his job in the face of a 6'4 guard with a wicked 6'7 wingspan and killer penetration skills?"

I'll be looking forward to pre-season and who is the better PG.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1556 » by freshie2 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:03 pm

Did Marbury just post that??
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1557 » by ChuckS » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:18 pm

[quote] "He was an Isolation PG, on a team that was strictly isolation it had less ball movement then the Allen Iverson Sixers. "


You have repeatedly made a very common and valuable ability sound pejorative.

I do not remember ever seeing an exceptional (maybe any) point guard who was not an "isolation" player. Anyone who can handle and dribble can be an isolation player. Most good twos and threes, and even some fours, have also had such abilities. Even fives, with moves, can also be isolation players.

I strongly disagree with your frequent implications that two good isolation players cannot co-exist on the same team. In fact most great teams have/had multiple isolation players. (Boston had at least seven on some of its championship teams.)

Of course, by the very nature/definition of such a play, you can only utilize one at a time. But I think it is simplistic to then assume you can only have one player with such an ability on any team. The more one has the less predictable the offense. Another fallacy is that a good isolation player does not pass. I, of course disagree with you, and believe Miller has belied that throughout his career...and last year.

You often compare Andre's game to that of AI. I think that is patently ludicrous, except for the fact that both are excellent isolation players. You once wrote that the only difference was that Miller takes fewer shots. Duh! That's the major difference between normal isolation plays and "dominating" the ball. Another is whether one dribbles twenty seconds to get a shot off to the detriment of ball movement. I may be naive, but I really doubt that many others really believe that Dre's 13 shots per last year were excessive, or that he is not an excellent passer.

I'm sure others also do not like or prefer Miller. I have no problem with that. I have no particularly great affinity for Andre other than my individual belief (as with any player) of what I think currently best for my team. I accept the fact that for everyone there is a season. I do not care who plays where if he is as good or better, or even acceptable. Life goes on.

I feel your frustration. To write something more than 8500 times and still have so many non-believers must be annoying. But even the best of friends can often disagree. I have been reminded of a great example of that many times throughout this and other threads:


[quote: "Dumb and Dumber" - Jeff Daniels (Harry) to Jim Carey (Lloyd)]

"Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!"


I apologize to all for my Lloyd-like hopelessness.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1558 » by Padawan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:32 pm

The problem with Lou Williams might be his role imo. There are several solutions as far as offensive strategy goes and i think Lou will be important. I can't see him as the 6th man again since his minutes will be up this year and he might start ( he should, at least be given a chance ).
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1559 » by tmoore » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:49 pm

corwin wrote:Tom,
It seems like Phx & Dallas really need a center. Has there been any discussion between those teams & the Sixers about Sam? Also, do you think Ed is having second thoughts about keeping Sam since there is no other real center on the team?


Dalembert's contract and trade kicker make it extremely difficult to trade him with two years left. Dalembert has more value to the Sixers than anybody else. If Dalembert plays the way he's capable -- and that's a big IF -- he can help them. If not, he could become a part-time player.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#1560 » by tmoore » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:52 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Tom: May I ask you a question: Did you enjoy their half-court, isolation team? Did you enjoy their inability to create ANY kind of shot?

You could watch the first game of the season, record it and pretend different results and jerseys and that's your season. That's how boring they were.


I prefer motion and actual plays, as opposed to the awful 1-on-1 clear-outs with eight guys standing around watching. Too often, somebody was forced to take a bad shot to beat the 24-second clock. The Princeton offense should cut down on the isolations.

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