Jays discussing Overbay-Snyder trade

[mikero]

According to the Arizona Republic, the Blue Jays and Arizona Diamondbacks are discussing a deal that would send first baseball Lyle Overbay to the Diamondbacks for catcher Chris Snyder.

The 28-year old Snyder, who underwent back surgery in September, lost his starting job to Miguel Montero last season. He hit .200 with a .333 on-base percentage with six home runs, but in 2008, when his back was healthy, he hit .237 with 16 home runs and an on-base percentage of .348.

Overbay is in the final year of his contract that will see him make $7 million in 2010. Snyder has two years left plus an option that would see him make 4.75 million in 2010, $5.75 million in 2011 along with either a $6.75 million salary or a $750,000 buyout in 2012.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=297543

I have no problem with the Jays trading Overbay... but I would expect a bit more than this.

[Garmfay]

Hopefully we can somehow get Stephen Drew, I here they are shopping him

[Schad]

Snyder is essentially Barajas with patience, which isn't at all a bad thing. With two years remaining on his contract (plus the option) Snyder is a good bridge to Arencibia, should he develop, and a guy who shouldn't be difficult to move if JP blows up and forces his way on to the big club.

The question is whether the Jays move Lind to 1B and DH Ruiz, or bring Dopirak up and use him at first. Either way, though, we'll miss Overbay's bat more than we realize...subtracting him leaves us with just two left-handed hitters in the order (Lind and Snider), and a 120 OPS+ over 500 PAs is not easy to replace.

[zilby]

meh, we could do better. id pass.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Schadenfreude is right. Snyder brings a lot more pop and patience than Barajas, as well as being known as a pretty good defensive catcher. I'm not sure if he's worth the kind of money we're going to have pay than keeping Overbay, but I do trust Anthopolous' vision, and scouting to believe that this could be a beneficial move.

The move will address the need for a catcher, while making 1B available for Lind, and possibly Ruiz (although I heard that he's going to be practicing in the OF).

[youngLion]

I would expect a bit more than this.

Really? Overbay is just a decent OBP on a crappy contract. He doesn't have much value at all.

I don't know much about Chris Snyder, particularly in regards to his defense/handling etc, but on the surface this seems like a fair deal. Drew would be nice but it would take a fair bit more and I doubt Arizona wants to give up on him yet.

[Michael Bradley]

Overbay is owed $7 million (2010) while Snyder is owed $11.25 million (2010, 2011, and 2012 buyout). There would have to be some salary eaten up by the D-Backs in order to this to make sense for Toronto. Overbay is only a platoon player at this point, but Snyder's contract is worse and he is coming off a bad year.

[Schad]

Yeah, despite my comment above I'm not actually that fond of the deal...it's more a product of "well, we could do worse" than a desire to see the trade go through. I'd still prefer that we save the money and let Kyle Phillips scrub it up for the minimum, but as he got outrighted it appears the organization has other plans.

[zilby]

oferbay for Mark "Swing for the fences and then K" Reynolds FTW!

[Schad]

oferbay for Mark "Swing for the fences and then K" Reynolds FTW!

Because Arizona is dying to trade a 25 year old who just hit 44 HRs?

[Garmfay]

Overbay + (A Cecil/Rzep/Purcey) + Some lower tier prospect for Snyder + Drew!

[zilby]

oferbay for Mark "Swing for the fences and then K" Reynolds FTW!

Because Arizona is dying to trade a 25 year old who just hit 44 HRs?

not even my family knows when i am being sarcastic or not. lets hope.

im not too content on snyder.

[LieCheatSteal]

I like this move for many reasons:

1) Losing Barajas and having him sign elsewhere means a compensatory sandwich 1-2 pick. It's not like he's the difference between alsoran and champion anyways.

2) Overbay's been a little bitchy lately in the clubhouse, whining about playing time which he doesn't deserve. It's time for a change in scenary regardless of the fact he has 1 year left on his deal.

3) It puts a little pop at a position that should provide a team with pop. Overbay was no better than a gap hitter. At 3rd base, it's fine but not a a power position like 1st. Most likely, Lind will be put here.

4) It's much easier to sign a power hitting OF than a power hitting 1st. So, moving Lind to 1st allows the Jays some flexibility to sign a power bat with minimal defensive capability and slap him in left. This will increase production in the lineup.

5) It tells you that the Jays aren't going to overpay to re-sign their FAs like Barajas and Scutero, which is a good thing considering the crappy contracts they still have or put out in over-reacting to one good year from potential FAs.

6) Having Snyder won't put the Jays over the top but it will buy time for JP to develop a bit more or at least another catching prospect to get caught up.

So, all in all, I like this deal, if it goes down. AA is getting down to business pretty quickly.

[Garmfay]

Deal is off according to MLBTR. Issues with Snyder's back

[Rhettmatic]

From the AZ Central blog:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/

Concerns about catcher Chris Snyder’s surgically repaired back caused the Toronto Blue Jays to nix a trade that would have brought first baseman Lyle Overbay to the Diamondbacks.

Not sure if Snyder "failed" the physical exam he was scheduled to undergo today or what the exact terminology is here, but we know that his condition was the reason Toronto called it off.

Snyder underwent a microdiscectomy surgery, a procedure that is designed to relieve pressure off a nerve in his back.

It’s not considered a major surgery, but if you’re Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos you obviously want to be completely sure he’s going to be fine, especially since he’s owed $11.25 million over the next couple of years.

From what we're hearing, the Diamondbacks remain confident that Snyder is going to be fine. It's just hard to trade a guy six weeks after he has surgery. The guess here is that he's going to have to show he's healthy in spring training at the earliest before he's traded.

So it’s back to the drawing board for the Diamondbacks and General Manager Josh Byrnes, who heads to Chicago for the start of the GM Meetings tomorrow.

[Geddy]

Even if this deal didn't go through, it's still a good sign that they are looking to move Overbay.

[youngLion]

http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... hits_snag/

Update: The deal has "hit a snag". No further details.

[The_Hater]

Perhaps the 'snag' is just a way of the AA getting another prospect out of the deal?

Either way, I think that Overbay and what he provides at a corner spot can be easily replaced. Hell, Ruiz will probably be a better hitter next year.

[Modern_epic]

I would guess the snag is more along the lines of 'lets wait and check out how he looks in a couple months', rather than trying to extract a prospect.

Overbay and what he provides at the plate it easy to replace. Overbay and what he provides at the corner spot? We'll see. I think this might be an interesting experiment in the value of 1B defense.

[kelso]

I would guess the snag is more along the lines of 'lets wait and check out how he looks in a couple months', rather than trying to extract a prospect.

Overbay and what he provides at the plate it easy to replace. Overbay and what he provides at the corner spot? We'll see. I think this might be an interesting experiment in the value of 1B defense.

I agree that Overbay's D is under-rated with respect to it being considered as a reason to/not to trade him, but 1B D in my opinion is the easiest to replace of the infield positions. As well, we have people on the team already that can play in place of Lyle should we need someone to. Putting Lind there for instance would allow us to add a big numbers OF to the starting 9 and Lind's bat makes me forget Overbay's D rather quickly.

As for whether or not I think Snyder is adequate compensation, I don't know really. Is Chavez not an option? How far off are Jaroloman & Arencibia? What about re-signing Barajas? Considering the likes of these guys and seeing the Jays trying to trade Lyle for Snyder makes me think either they REALLY want to get rid of Overbay bad, or our prospects aren't as promising maybe as we would have them be.