Kings @ Jazz, 11/7

[Smills91]

:-D

I hope LoserX watched that game, biggest Beno hater on RGM.

loserX: "Beno can not be this good. The Kings posters are dumping the guy for anyone like hell. This should means that he sucks, right?"

*puzzled face*

+1...you'd think he was Jerome James according to him. BENO can PLAY ball, his contract just sucks for a team in our particular situation, it's not because of a lack of talent like James.

[SacKingZZZ]

Beno definitely deserves some credit, he's really worked on his off the ball play and having him next to Evans is a dangerous lineup. It's like having two PG's with the size to defend most SG's on any given night.

[Smills91]

Beno definitely deserves some credit, he's really worked on his off the ball play and having him next to Evans is a dangerous lineup. It's like having two PG's with the size to defend most SG's on any given night.

That's true at 6'3" he's still has capable size to defend the 'other' guards in the opposition.

[KF10]

+1...you'd think he was Jerome James according to him. BENO can PLAY ball, his contract just sucks for a team in our particular situation, it's not because of a lack of talent like James.

Well to be fair, Beno's contract is a tad bit long (I actually disputed this at the initial event when we signed Beno) but at MLE-rate? I think it is fine for Beno. He is playing at the same level (or close to it) when he got the contract couple years ago. If Beno can keep this up, I'm pretty sure most of us are content with that.

But the thing is, Beno gets so crapped on the daily basis with sheer ignorance and inaccuracies i.e. "Beno has no skill whatsoever" "He is like the worst player in the league" "One of the worst contact in the league" "He can't run a team for ****"" "He can't defend for nothing" and etc. This creates popular opinion on Beno and the fact that we are "dumping" him on a constant basis doesn't help the cause too. So, we do have some fault of creating the popular opinion within these boards.

Anyways, Beno has been great for us since the season started. With the little tandem with him and Evans, I think Beno can sustain this play for a long period of time.

[KingInExile]

Just finished watching the game (OSU-Cal game took precedent). I am thoroughly shocked by the win, although I'm disappointed with the way they gave away the 20 point lead late in the game. I loved what I saw from Udoka and Greene. I was even encouraged by KT's spurts of production. All we need is for Noc, KT and even Beno to start playing real well to so they can boost their trade value.

[OGSactownballer]

I maintain the same thing that I have said over and over. Guys like Beno and Noc on their contracts are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR A PLAYOFF/CONTENDING TEAM. The problem is that we aren't there yet so they look like huge anchors. Take Paul Milsap. Just signed a contract worth more $$$ than Noc to be the SIXTH MAN. Yet if you compare the numbers, they are about equal.

It might be that we end up moving one or both of them this year or next, but if the team is getting on the same page and things start working, I say just keep them. Don't forget (as we should all see too well right now) how imprtant DEPTH is in the NBA.

[wiltchamberlain]

Just a quick comment to build on something KingInExile just said. I think I was one of the first to hate Kenny Thomas, in fact I remember fairly vividly disagreeing with someone on this board who kept things in favor of Kenny like "NBA players don't just lose their skills". Despite my fierce dislike however, I can't help but notice what a nice little game he had tonight. It's probably to much to expect him to build on it but it sure would be nice if he could have a few more games like this.

I'm struggling between being totally pessimistic and saying this was a onetime deal, and being an outright homer but it sure would be great if the Beno/Tyreke backcourt could continue playing like this. Tonight they seemingly had the perfect mix of playmaking, shooting, scoring, and toughness.

[perezident]

agreed KIE....although, I dont know if i want to trade Beno just yet. He can really help this team alot. But KT and Noc, they are different stories all together. Glad to see KT showing he still has blood running through his veins! And WOW Evans! This dude can play

[pillwenney]

I maintain the same thing that I have said over and over. Guys like Beno and Noc on their contracts are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR A PLAYOFF/CONTENDING TEAM. The problem is that we aren't there yet so they look like huge anchors. Take Paul Milsap. Just signed a contract worth more $$$ than Noc to be the SIXTH MAN. Yet if you compare the numbers, they are about equal.

It might be that we end up moving one or both of them this year or next, but if the team is getting on the same page and things start working, I say just keep them. Don't forget (as we should all see too well right now) how imprtant DEPTH is in the NBA.

Well, no. They're not. Not in this economy. Until Beno plays like he did tonight on a much more consistent basis, he's worth maybe $4million a year. In this economy, I'd say that's about the going rate for a below average starter in this league.

The same goes for Noc. Yeah, he had a great shooting night tonight, but he's also inconsistent/streaky. He also has plenty of games where he's a detriment to the team. He's worth around what Beno is. That's also about the going rate for a very nice, if not spectacular bench player.

Millsap efficiently put 16/10 last year when starting with very nice defense, and the Jazz have been trying to move Boozer so that they could move him into the starting lineup. He's also a PF, and younger than our two guys.

[SadKingsFan]

Great win. Not much else to say because i missed the game. Great Flash of potential from Evans though...gotta love it!

[Smills91]

agreed KIE....although, I dont know if i want to trade Beno just yet. He can really help this team alot. But KT and Noc, they are different stories all together. Glad to see KT showing he still has blood running through his veins! And WOW Evans! This dude can play

If you're going to keep that quote up perezident, then at least have the gumption to quote the ENTIRE thing. Cutting it off like you did is quite deceptive and dishonest.

[HUBlackstar83]

Missed the game cause I went to this wack azz party. Anyway, how did Donte and Udoka play last night guys?

[KingInExile]

Udoka looked pretty good for just joining the team, especially on defense (I'll take 3 steals from a guy any day of the week). Greene had one of his good days, hitting shots and being an active presence on both ends. The question for Greene, though, is whether he can do this more consistently rather than have one flash of good play followed by several games of "ugh" play.

[darkadun]

Yeah, Udoka surprised me too. The one thing I liked was a few times he was out of position, so he went over and doubled the ballhandler, and I believe both times it was on boozer and lead to turnovers. I like what he brings, seems to have good instincts.

Regarding Greene, I see him as the new Gerald Wallace. He is still very young and raw, but can possibly...possibly turn into a good player like he showed flashes of last night. If we can keep him, maybe in 4 years he could be a good contributer to a kings playoff team. Who knows?


I loved the D tho (for the most part). JT seemed to play great D on Boozer & grab some clutch boards, especially the last one that sealed the game. Thats a great sign .

[perezident]

I'll just move it smills...its been there long enough

[deNIEd]

Regarding Greene, I see him as the new Gerald Wallace. He is still very young and raw, but can possibly...possibly turn into a good player like he showed flashes of last night. If we can keep him, maybe in 4 years he could be a good contributer to a kings playoff team. Who knows?

I view Greene (Hawes has 1 more season until he falls in this category) as a player that you keep but don't build around or expect anything out of. Donte has potential and is very cheap to keep him around. However, he isn't a player that we can consider as our future SF or future PF or even future bench player. Instead, he should be viewed simply as a player that is on the roster that we won't completely give up on. If in 2-3 years he proves that he's worthwhile, then patience paid off. If he does nothing, well it ended up costing us 2-3 mil total. Not a big deal.

[deNIEd]

I maintain the same thing that I have said over and over. Guys like Beno and Noc on their contracts are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR A PLAYOFF/CONTENDING TEAM. The problem is that we aren't there yet so they look like huge anchors. Take Paul Milsap. Just signed a contract worth more $$$ than Noc to be the SIXTH MAN. Yet if you compare the numbers, they are about equal.

Was this a serious post? Are you kidding me?

[LookingAround]

I would like to talk about Sergio Rodriguez.
He is a kind of player who does couple of things extremely well and in the same time has some major weaknesses - his physical strength and his shot (although he shoots much better when he has confident).
When you playing with him you must take advantage of his pluses and try to hide his disadvantages. The Kings didn't do it at all in the minutes he played.

On offense - why nobody moved without the ball? Everybody just stood still. Sergio finished with taking some shots what is his last preference. I've already paid attention that Casspi (who didn't play at this game) and Sergio plays well with each other - because Casspi is constantly moving and giving the PG passing opportunities.

On deference - twice he found himself with Williams under the rim. He did everything right, was in front of him, but he don't have the physical strength to stop him. Somebody should had come to help.