Monta Ellis (In case GSW doesn't care bout his D)

[old rem]

I think he is a good kid in a bad spot. Talent wise he would be nice with Rubio, but he is not worth the contract he has. He needs a new team bad.

His attitude makes me cringe

"Coach, why do I get blamed for everything"
"I'm not going to put any more on my back. Somebody else is going to have to step up and take on the role. Now, who have we got that's going to play defense? We've got me. Who else?"
"Look at me on my moped weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

...ok I made that last one up. Still, the only way I would even consider Ellis to be a possibility is if Rubio was on the squad. Part of it has to do with the fact that Flynn, Ellis, and Jefferson would be pretty small at their respective positions and the other part is that I don't think that lineup would result in good chemistry.

Nelson wanted Ellis to be a leader,made him Captain Ellis got on players in the locker room,in particular telling some of the young guys to learn the plays,telling everyone to get more committed on D, Nellie however...pulled the rug out ,told him be quiet. So...again Monta gets the mixed message and no-win situation as he'd been PG apprentice a couple years, but much of the time Jackson hogged the ball and Ellis got blamed for not getting assist. Hell...he was lucky to get touches.

At GSW the main guys seem to always get dumped on, J Rich, Baron, Dun, Murphy,Harrington,Pietrus, Jackson, Crawford....now Ellis. Guys follow the damn script and they take the rap when the script sucks. It's how Nellie keeps his ass in business. The pawns get sacrificed. Eventually, he uses up the pawns and moves on.

Anyhow...IF (big if...) GSW was smart, they keep Ellis and unload Nelson. In context...nothing Ellis said was anything but telling it as it is. That's rare enough nobody gets it.

[WarFan]

I think he is a good kid in a bad spot. Talent wise he would be nice with Rubio, but he is not worth the contract he has. He needs a new team bad.

His attitude makes me cringe

"Coach, why do I get blamed for everything"
"I'm not going to put any more on my back. Somebody else is going to have to step up and take on the role. Now, who have we got that's going to play defense? We've got me. Who else?"
"Look at me on my moped weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

...ok I made that last one up. Still, the only way I would even consider Ellis to be a possibility is if Rubio was on the squad. Part of it has to do with the fact that Flynn, Ellis, and Jefferson would be pretty small at their respective positions and the other part is that I don't think that lineup would result in good chemistry.

Nelson wanted Ellis to be a leader,made him Captain Ellis got on players in the locker room,in particular telling some of the young guys to learn the plays,telling everyone to get more committed on D, Nellie however...pulled the rug out ,told him be quiet. So...again Monta gets the mixed message and no-win situation as he'd been PG apprentice a couple years, but much of the time Jackson hogged the ball and Ellis got blamed for not getting assist. Hell...he was lucky to get touches.

At GSW the main guys seem to always get dumped on, J Rich, Baron, Dun, Murphy,Harrington,Pietrus, Jackson, Crawford....now Ellis. Guys follow the damn script and they take the rap when the script sucks. It's how Nellie keeps his ass in business. The pawns get sacrificed. Eventually, he uses up the pawns and moves on.

Anyhow...IF (big if...) GSW was smart, they keep Ellis and unload Nelson. In context...nothing Ellis said was anything but telling it as it is. That's rare enough nobody gets it.

Holy crap! It's an intelligent rem post, and I only had to go to Minnesota to find it!

[Narf]

The only deal that even gave me pause for Ellis was Randolph + Ellis for Al Jefferson. Throw in Gomes for Morrow and I bite on that.

[funkatron101]

The only deal that even gave me pause for Ellis was Randolph + Ellis for Al Jefferson. Throw in Gomes for Morrow and I bite on that.

No way the Warriors do that though.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Don Nelson would

[old rem]

I was just using him as an example of an undersized SG, who thinks he can play PG, with no D

no more of these tweeners

Tell that to Brandon Roy. Ellis dominated him tonight.....34 pt,8 asst,6 steals. Ellis' D on Roy pretty much took Roy out of the game. Of course...any thought GSW had about trading him is gone now.

Nellie won't part with Morrow either. Both Ellis + Morrow played all 48 min in the win over Port, Morrow had over 20 pt and rained 3's on the Blazers

[Esohny]

Oh no, Monta had one good game and it's now less likely that we'd be able to trade for his awful contract.

Fate, why do you mock us so?

[old rem]

I think it's a plus to have our top player signed up for 5 yr. At the end of the deal he's 28-29 yr old.
I'm sure Toronto wishes there best player was signed for 5.

You could look it up.....he's had a lot of good games,but this had something extra,in that he answered everyone who'd been trying to put limits on what he can do. Surprised a lot of GSW fans too. He's gonna have a real good season.

[shrink]

I think it's a plus to have our top player signed up for 5 yr. At the end of the deal he's 28-29 yr old.

And at the end of the deal, GSW has spent $55 mil dollars.

Whether he's the best player on GSW or not, I personally don't think Monta Ellis is worth $11 mil/year, when you compare him to the other new contract offers when he signed. The problem is that he needs to be his absolute best to have a chance of bringing you back $11 mil in production, and there's no upside there. However, with a 5-year deal, the risk of injury to any player produces downside for guaranteed NBA contracts. For Monta, he probably should have been offered a contract for $2 mil less, or certainly less years. GSW seems to lock themselves up with longterm deals like this far too often, imo.

[BW32]

I think it's a plus to have our top player signed up for 5 yr. At the end of the deal he's 28-29 yr old.

And at the end of the deal, GSW has spent $55 mil dollars.

Whether he's the best player on GSW or not, I personally don't think Monta Ellis is worth $11 mil/year, when you compare him to the other new contract offers when he signed. The problem is that he needs to be his absolute best to have a chance of bringing you back $11 mil in production, and there's no upside there. However, with a 5-year deal, the risk of injury to any player produces downside for guaranteed NBA contracts. For Monta, he probably should have been offered a contract for $2 mil less, or certainly less years. GSW seems to lock themselves up with longterm deals like this far too often, imo.

There is more to basketball players than dollar signs. If you always wait to sign people for the "fair" price you'll end up not signing anyone. If you build an entire team on "bargain" contracts like a Ryan Gomes or a Kelenna Azubuike you'll end up with a mediocre at best team.

He scores 20 on a fairly high percentage (though his J has been off so far this season) that doesn't come cheap. The year Monta signed Smoove signed a very large contract, so did Elton Brand and Baron Davis, Iggy too and let's not even mention Gilbert Arenas. There were no bargain contract that year, not for a player with his talent level.

[Esohny]

So we ignore the fact that his contract is terrible because it's not quite as franchise choking awful as the Arenas contract?

[BW32]

So we ignore the fact that his contract is terrible because it's not quite as franchise choking awful as the Arenas contract?

*sigh* I din't comment on the trade at any point I was just responding to the comment that Monta's contract was somehow inflated when compared with other contracts signed at the time he signed. It's pretty clear the trade does nothing for either team, Wolves are't a Monta Ellis away from contention and if M onta is to be traded eventually it won't be for another PG.

[shrink]

There is more to basketball players than dollar signs. If you always wait to sign people for the "fair" price you'll end up not signing anyone. If you build an entire team on "bargain" contracts like a Ryan Gomes or a Kelenna Azubuike you'll end up with a mediocre at best team.

He scores 20 on a fairly high percentage (though his J has been off so far this season) that doesn't come cheap. The year Monta signed Smoove signed a very large contract, so did Elton Brand and Baron Davis, Iggy too and let's not even mention Gilbert Arenas. There were no bargain contract that year, not for a player with his talent level.

Danny Granger, Al Jefferson, Devin Harris ($7.8), JR Smith, Biedrins, I'd even say Kevin Martin at $8.7 are all better contracts. Personally, I'd rather have a big man like Okafor at $9.5 too. Contracts at $13.7, in the Monta range, should go to ELITE players, max deals like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard. These young players are a better comparison for Monta, rather than ex-All Stars like Brand and Baron Davis.

We may differ on how you project Monta Ellis, but a roster clogged with $8-11 mil swingmen, not only from a cap standpoint, but in longterm flexibility as well. GSW should understand that better than any team in the league. You should only be happy with overpaying to get that little extra talent if its going to put you over the top.

[Krapinsky]

I'd rather have Ben Gordon than Monta too. Rather have a shooter who is clutch in our offense. Gordon is only 26 too.

[BW32]

There is more to basketball players than dollar signs. If you always wait to sign people for the "fair" price you'll end up not signing anyone. If you build an entire team on "bargain" contracts like a Ryan Gomes or a Kelenna Azubuike you'll end up with a mediocre at best team.

He scores 20 on a fairly high percentage (though his J has been off so far this season) that doesn't come cheap. The year Monta signed Smoove signed a very large contract, so did Elton Brand and Baron Davis, Iggy too and let's not even mention Gilbert Arenas. There were no bargain contract that year, not for a player with his talent level.

Danny Granger, Al Jefferson, Devin Harris ($7.8), JR Smith, Biedrins, I'd even say Kevin Martin at $8.7 are all better contracts. Personally, I'd rather have a big man like Okafor at $9.5 too. Contracts at $13.7, in the Monta range, should go to ELITE players, max deals like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard. These young players are a better comparison for Monta, rather than ex-All Stars like Brand and Baron Davis.

We may differ on how you project Monta Ellis, but a roster clogged with $8-11 mil swingmen, not only from a cap standpoint, but in longterm flexibility as well. GSW should understand that better than any team in the league. You should only be happy with overpaying to get that little extra talent if its going to put you over the top.

You see that's unfair, you compare Martin's 8.7 starting year salary to Monta's 11 mil when in fact Martin signed a 5/55 deal, the same 11 mil a year average that Monta got, same thing for Granger or Al. Granger's deal is around the 12 mil mark on average and Al's is around 13. I understand if you don't think Monta is worth his deal, I disagree but understand, but if we are to compare salaries it should be done properly.

For the record Okafor's contract also averages over the 12 a year mark and Monta's contract is 11 flat per year, not 13.7 mil his contract also, to my understanding, does not contain any incentives.