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Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST

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Who will win this game?

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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#61 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:50 am

dandridge 10 wrote:
mohammed10 wrote:Our boys are down 26 midway through the 3rd Q...

Turning this crap off before I bust up my TV. Pulling my hair out over Flip's rotations.

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I've got to admit, although I like Flip, I don't understand his fascination with Stevenson. But, the thing is, it don't matter if Stevenson or Young is playing. This team is still a bunch of shot jacking, no defense playing losers. At this point, I could care less if we trade everyone on this team away.


The reason he has to go with ds is because nick is soft as tissue. Nick chickens out against physical contact and can't convert And One moves because his game is designed to avoid contact. Nick and mcgee are soft.
Mcgee has no noncept of carving out advantageous space and securing with a wide base. He is quick to bounce out of position instead of holding his grown and shoving anyone who attempts to steal the advantageous space that he has earned. He is also quick to give up this same space when going for offensive rebounds. No aggression when another big challenges his space on a post entry. Chickens out
It was good seeing nick attack amare in the paint it would have been nice if he finally makes an And One shot. MCGEE too. They are making progress but the fact that mCGEE still isn't strong enough to hold his position on post entry pass against strong post player shows is softness. He also goes for the block but isn't aggressive enough to immediately get back into the lane and shove someone to get the rebound off the miss he created.
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#62 » by Wizardspride » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:21 am

For some reason this loss doesn't bother me that much.

Maybe I'm just the eternal optimist but I think we'll get it together...starting with this next stretch of games.

But then again.....

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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#63 » by DaRealHibachi » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:53 am

I haven't seen the game, only the boxscore... Did Flip bench those bums for shotjacking and not playing D...???

And for those complaining about DS starting, he played the least minutes of those playing, and Young played the third most minutes tonight...

Anyway, happy I didn't stay up for this mess...
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#64 » by JWizmentality » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:43 pm

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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#65 » by JWizmentality » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:44 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:I haven't seen the game, only the boxscore... Did Flip bench those bums for shotjacking and not playing D...???

And for those complaining about DS starting, he played the least minutes of those playing, and Young played the third most minutes tonight...

Anyway, happy I didn't stay up for this mess...


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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#66 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:13 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:
dandridge 10 wrote:
mohammed10 wrote:Our boys are down 26 midway through the 3rd Q...

Turning this crap off before I bust up my TV. Pulling my hair out over Flip's rotations.

L8r


I've got to admit, although I like Flip, I don't understand his fascination with Stevenson. But, the thing is, it don't matter if Stevenson or Young is playing. This team is still a bunch of shot jacking, no defense playing losers. At this point, I could care less if we trade everyone on this team away.


The reason he has to go with ds is because nick is soft as tissue. Nick chickens out against physical contact and can't convert And One moves because his game is designed to avoid contact. Nick and mcgee are soft.
Mcgee has no noncept of carving out advantageous space and securing with a wide base. He is quick to bounce out of position instead of holding his grown and shoving anyone who attempts to steal the advantageous space that he has earned. He is also quick to give up this same space when going for offensive rebounds. No aggression when another big challenges his space on a post entry. Chickens out
It was good seeing nick attack amare in the paint it would have been nice if he finally makes an And One shot. MCGEE too. They are making progress but the fact that mCGEE still isn't strong enough to hold his position on post entry pass against strong post player shows is softness. He also goes for the block but isn't aggressive enough to immediately get back into the lane and shove someone to get the rebound off the miss he created.


WD, for a long time people scoffed at your posts but seems to me they're doing a lot more listening now.

Javale IMO does what you say he does and is by your description soft, but he's also very young at 21. When I see McGee I think about two players. Larry Nance and Pau Gasol.

Nance had Brad Daugherty at C, so he could pretty much just be a run and jump athlete. I don't remember Nance having many strong moves but like Javale he has extreme length, hops, and athleticism. Flip and nobody on this team can help Javale be like Nance. Javales' getting no playing time and he's being forced to reside on the low blocks and not utilize his footspeed. He's being asked to be something he cannot be--yet. He's not being allowed to do what Nance did, run like a dear and dunk the ball on people's heads.

The other guy I brought up, Pau, was SOFT but more hightly skilled than Javale from his NBA beginning--but he had already been a pro in Europe before coming to the NBA. One thing about Pau though is he took YEARS before he bulked up. Just last year he gained the weight and strength to carve out space on the low blocks. I look at Javale and see the same body type of a Pau or a Dirk and know he's capable of getting bigger and stronger than either of them. Nowhere near their skill level, but McGee has A LOT MORE SKILL than Flip allows.

The Andray Blatche we're seeing is fourth year pro. Eddie Jordan might have had a grudge against Andray like he did Brendan, but EJ started McGee over Blatche and I recall Javale having some pretty explosive games with good numbers. Like this Randolph kid at GS in a way.
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#67 » by DaRealHibachi » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:24 pm

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DaRealHibachi wrote:I haven't seen the game, only the boxscore... Did Flip bench those bums for shotjacking and not playing D...???

And for those complaining about DS starting, he played the least minutes of those playing, and Young played the third most minutes tonight...

Anyway, happy I didn't stay up for this mess...


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Nah not really... I tend to stay around these parts... No need to represent this waste of a team anywhere else really...
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#68 » by Zerocious » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:25 pm

good morning. missed last nights game. first of the season. dvr'd it, but could get my self to not check the outcome. now i saved myself 3 hours of tv time. i think we all expected to lose thise game, so no worries. goes to show how far we are removed from the top teams though. 30 point loss? jeez.
lets get back on track and pump out a few wins.

quick flip note. ( moved to rant thead)
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#69 » by MJG » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:54 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:I haven't seen the game, only the boxscore... Did Flip bench those bums for shotjacking and not playing D...???

And for those complaining about DS starting, he played the least minutes of those playing, and Young played the third most minutes tonight...

Anyway, happy I didn't stay up for this mess...

Guys were benched because we were losing by 30+ in the middle of the third quarter and there was no reason to keep any of the starters in. And for that same reason, you can really ignore minutes in this game, because the entire second half was garbage time, more or less.

And really, it doesn't matter if Stevenson played the least minutes out of anybody; the real problem here is that he played at all. He is awful. He plays ~16 MPG and contributes absolutely nothing to the team. His minutes could be redistributed to absolutely any other player, from Arenas to Young to Mike James (once healthy), and we'd be better off at this point.
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#70 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:12 pm

Ok, I got confused.

I thought first I posted that thing to the wrong thread as I figured Wiz-Dyn must have posted that thing over in the "Nick n' McGee" thread. So I moved it over there. But now I see that this was the right thread to begin with. To move it back here would be a bit excessive.

As to JaVale possibly being a forward, it's possible, sure. But I would still consider a power forward being a 'big who needs to bang'. I do hope he grows in that direction. A lot of people say he's too skinny, but I think his body is OK so long as he's eager to give it a go.

Small forward? Hard to get the spacing to work unless you've got Mehmet Okur and Jamison rounding out the front court. As far as the idea of McGee knifing around like Gerald Wallace regardless of what position he's at, I could see it being a fit, yes.

But the key would be what kind of personnel he's in there with and how the matchups work. We saw him guard Bosh a bit earlier, and he got into foul trouble, but with more savvy it could work on that end. I think he's theoretically capable of guarding fours, even if he's not much of an actual man-defender at this point.

Offensively, it's just a matter of what all personnel is on the floor, how the individual roles and skills each players brings builds towards the higher goal of gettin' leather on twine. I don't consider him to have much in the way of traditional forward skills at this point though. His jumper has some promise and could be decent going forward, but his ball skills are pretty far off. But it could work depending on what actual tasks were being asked of him.

I do agree that we need to look at him as a scorer and we need to nurture his natural slashing skills. He's was a pretty darn efficient finisher last year.

The thing that's really killing me with him this year is the box outs on the defensive glass. Whatever position he's at, he needs to get much, much, much better there. This is also a big problem with he and Blatche going forward in tandem as neither is a consistent glass cleaner on defense. That's a worrywith those guys, and I hope it's not a fundamental flaw.
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#71 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:16 pm

Ok, now I see CCJ has replied to my other post in the Javale thread.

Probably better to discuss it over there, I almost lost the above post trying to cut and paste it and I'm pretty confused at this point!
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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#72 » by Fo-Real » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:01 pm

Zerocious wrote:good morning. missed last nights game. first of the season. dvr'd it, but could get my self to not check the outcome. now i saved myself 3 hours of tv time. i think we all expected to lose thise game, so no worries. goes to show how far we are removed from the top teams though. 30 point loss? jeez.
lets get back on track and pump out a few wins.

quick flip note. ( moved to rant thead)

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Re: Wizards vs Suns 12/19 @ 9 EST 

Post#73 » by LyricalRico » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:40 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:The reason he has to go with ds is because nick is soft as tissue. Nick chickens out against physical contact and can't convert And One moves because his game is designed to avoid contact. Nick and mcgee are soft.
Mcgee has no noncept of carving out advantageous space and securing with a wide base. He is quick to bounce out of position instead of holding his grown and shoving anyone who attempts to steal the advantageous space that he has earned. He is also quick to give up this same space when going for offensive rebounds. No aggression when another big challenges his space on a post entry. Chickens out
It was good seeing nick attack amare in the paint it would have been nice if he finally makes an And One shot. MCGEE too. They are making progress but the fact that mCGEE still isn't strong enough to hold his position on post entry pass against strong post player shows is softness. He also goes for the block but isn't aggressive enough to immediately get back into the lane and shove someone to get the rebound off the miss he created.


Never thought I'd agree with WizNas, but great post. And Young did play a lot last night so I'm not sure what the issue is there. But McGee clearly isn't ready and may not even be coachable for all we know (he didn't properly execute the tip-in play against Indy last week). I think Flip wants specific things from his bigs, and if McGee isn't giving him those things he shouldn't play. And if he refuses to work on those things, we should sell high and move on.

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