Seems like Toronto is interested in Kevin Martin

[villatrynity154]

I would consider DD if he wasn't such a poor fit next to Tyreke. So as of right now, it's extended Bosh, or bust.

So, bust.

That is crazy though because Bosh is one of the best young Bigs in the L. Bosh is 25 yrs old and the only big that is better then him that is his age or younger is Dwight Howard. Everyone can continue to pretend that Bosh isn't as good as he is but "expects" that get paid to talk and right about basketball know where it is at. Chris Bosh is an elite player and arguable a top 10 player in the L. You don't get a Chris Bosh for a Kevin Martin. You get Jose Calderon & DeMar DeRozan and your happy because you gte equal value.

hey guy....the thread is called toronto is interested in kevin martin...not sacramento is interested in demar derozan and jose calderon....you are the ones that are interested.....you can't be hollerin like you own the place....you guys are acting like if martin was on the block and we desperately wanted to get rid of him...that's what's crazy...mitch never disrespected bosh so you need to check your attitude at the door son...

[SVThawk]

What's with these Toronto fans?? They come in here reading some beat journalist saying something that everyone already knows that half the league wants Kmart but not once has Sac ever said he was going to be traded. All these delusional beat writers who are trying to convince the world 'Reke is our SG - it's dumb.

The way some of you Toronto homers come here and post you would assume the Raptors are a top 10 team in this league and looking for that extra punch to contend for the championship, but instead you guys are here trying to offer your garbage + DD for Kmart so you can get into the playoffs and even that isn't a given because your team was so poorly built.

Bottom line, Kmart going to Toronto starts with Bosh, unless you find a 3rd team.

[northernpuppy]

What's with these Toronto fans?? They come in here reading some beat journalist saying something that everyone already knows that half the league wants Kmart but not once has Sac ever said he was going to be traded. All these delusional beat writers who are trying to convince the world 'Reke is our SG - it's dumb.

The way some of you Toronto homers come here and post you would assume the Raptors are a top 10 team in this league and looking for that extra punch to contend for the championship, but instead you guys are here trying to offer your garbage + DD for Kmart so you can get into the playoffs and even that isn't a given because your team was so poorly built.

Bottom line, Kmart going to Toronto starts with Bosh, unless you find a 3rd team.

Our team was poorly built? This is coming from a Kings fan? Wow. Without Hawes, Kmart, and Evans, the Kings are arguably as shallow as the Raptors are so easy with the bogus (edit>>>) claims.

I gave props to Sactown during the Laker game that I watched in full as I was impressed with guys like Omri and Donte but don't bad mouth the prospects of a deal, even though I would agree that most of the proposals here do not make sense for either team.

Moreover, there are idiots in ever forum, not just the Raptors'. See the 'New York Knicks' forum if there aren't any homers here in the Sac.

To me, Martin is useless to the Raps. Assuming Bosh is going to leave, adding Kmart does nothing to solve the 4 spot. Indeed he may be a solid shooter, he would take away from Hedo whom we need to focus on getting going. Considering what we'd have to give up, this deal does not work for either team.

[ICMTM]

Mitch you can lock this when you're ready. I'm pro moving Martin, but with no link and a bunch of "your team doesn't have this and that" going back and forth what's the purpose?

Toronto can be interested i Kevin Martin, and I think with the current pieces he might help out. What probably needs to happen is a third team. As much as I think we need to get better at the 4/5 I'm not sure Bosh is the guy we need/want anyway.

Anyhow a 3rd team needs to get involved.

[darkadun]

I'm kinda of interested in getting Reggie Evans. You can always use a guy who grabs it by the balls on your team.

[villatrynity154]

What's with these Toronto fans?? They come in here reading some beat journalist saying something that everyone already knows that half the league wants Kmart but not once has Sac ever said he was going to be traded. All these delusional beat writers who are trying to convince the world 'Reke is our SG - it's dumb.

The way some of you Toronto homers come here and post you would assume the Raptors are a top 10 team in this league and looking for that extra punch to contend for the championship, but instead you guys are here trying to offer your garbage + DD for Kmart so you can get into the playoffs and even that isn't a given because your team was so poorly built.

Bottom line, Kmart going to Toronto starts with Bosh, unless you find a 3rd team.

Our team was poorly built? This is coming from a Kings fan? Wow. Without Hawes, Kmart, and Evans, the Kings are arguably as shallow as the Raptors are so easy with the bogus (edit>>>) claims.

don't forget thompson......but you are right....we would be as shallowly built as the raptors.....but....that's not our reality is it?

not bashing on toronto....and for the record....i don't think calderon is garbage.....just the trade doesn't make sense for us....and homie over there was talkin like he was runnin things.....not in our house kid

[City of Trees]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

[SacTownKings4Life]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

This.
The thing is, about half of the current Kings fanbase jumped on the bandwagon in 2002 when we got good, and then jumped off in 2007 when we stopped getting to the playoffs. (I wonder how many people can actually name any pre-1999 kings players other than Mitch Richmond?) When we win, everybody's happy. But when we lose, everyone wants to trade somebody. It's just like when everybody was so gosh darn happy when he had the best record in the league in 2002, and people were just WAITING for that ring. Webber went down in the 2003 playoffs. The next season we started winning without him (just like we're doing right now without Kevin Martin) and what were people saying back then? TRADE WEBBER! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM! And what happened when we DID trade him? WHY DID WE TRADE WEBBER?!?! What are people saying now that we're winning with Kmart out of the lineup? TRADE MARTIN! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM!

I swear, Sacramento has some of the most two-faced fans I've ever seen. I'm telling you, WATCH what happens if Evans' production ever starts sliding a little bit. Or if (heaven forbid) he gets injured after Martin comes back and the team somehow keeps on winning. Will it be, "WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT EVANS"???
Just curious...

[SacTownKings4Life]

No wait! If you wanna get technical, in the first overtime of the Laker game, we actually WERE playing better basketball when Evans was on the bench. When he came back in, the offense stalled and the lakers caught back up. (he even turned the ball over a couple times)

So since the team actually WAS playing better without Evans on the court, does that mean that this team does not NEED Evans? Cause that's what everybody says about Martin...

[Wolfay]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

This.
The thing is, about half of the current Kings fanbase jumped on the bandwagon in 2002 when we got good, and then jumped off in 2007 when we stopped getting to the playoffs. (I wonder how many people can actually name any pre-1999 kings players other than Mitch Richmond?) When we win, everybody's happy. But when we lose, everyone wants to trade somebody. It's just like when everybody was so gosh darn happy when he had the best record in the league in 2002, and people were just WAITING for that ring. Webber went down in the 2003 playoffs. The next season we started winning without him (just like we're doing right now without Kevin Martin) and what were people saying back then? TRADE WEBBER! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM! And what happened when we DID trade him? WHY DID WE TRADE WEBBER?!?! What are people saying now that we're winning with Kmart out of the lineup? TRADE MARTIN! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM!

I swear, Sacramento has some of the most two-faced fans I've ever seen. I'm telling you, WATCH what happens if Evans' production ever starts sliding a little bit. Or if (heaven forbid) he gets injured after Martin comes back and the team somehow keeps on winning. Will it be, "WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT EVANS"???
Just curious...

LOL! This post is incredibly offensive. I'm a bandwagoner because I wouldn't mind seeing Martin traded? I've been watching the Kings since I was born dude, and I can name plenty of pre-Mitch players and better yet, I HAVE THEIR BASKETBALL CARDS. I also never wanted to trade Webber either.

Don't make so many ridiculous assumptions. It just makes you look like an ass.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Desiring the trading of one of our main cogs before we see if this system works is pretty crazy in my opinion. Martin hasn't gotten much time with these guys at their best collectively, and that means there just isn't any reason to trade Martin UNTIL we see if he can make us better or not.

And besides, it's not like his stock is going to FALL or anything, No one is going to take him now while he's injured. He's ours for now, he'll remain that way, as it should be, until we see that is doesn't work, if that is what indeed happens.

[City of Trees]

I have been a fan of this site for quite some time. I usually just enjoy reading what everyone has to say about anything Kings. But lately all this Trade Martin talk has really gotten to me and has motivated me to cross the line from just a reader. Anyone who says trading martin RIGHT NOW (before we see what his actuall value could be with this team) is whats best especially for that ridiculous trade in which we add ANOTHER PG! REALLY?? is just not well thought out. Im all for upgrading the roster, but this is a different team now. Evans is NOT the same player he was when Martin was on the floor. Lets see how they play together, Stop rushing the rebuilding process. I assure you if martin/evans back court doesnt work it will not kill martins trade value! My point: Trade Kevin Martin threads at this point in time are premature and a trade with martins name on it right now is a gamble (and for who Calderon? Derozan? Turk? why???) Keep the roster as is for now. Go Kings!

[Sauce Boss]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

This.
The thing is, about half of the current Kings fanbase jumped on the bandwagon in 2002 when we got good, and then jumped off in 2007 when we stopped getting to the playoffs. (I wonder how many people can actually name any pre-1999 kings players other than Mitch Richmond?) When we win, everybody's happy. But when we lose, everyone wants to trade somebody. It's just like when everybody was so gosh darn happy when he had the best record in the league in 2002, and people were just WAITING for that ring. Webber went down in the 2003 playoffs. The next season we started winning without him (just like we're doing right now without Kevin Martin) and what were people saying back then? TRADE WEBBER! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM! And what happened when we DID trade him? WHY DID WE TRADE WEBBER?!?! What are people saying now that we're winning with Kmart out of the lineup? TRADE MARTIN! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM!

I swear, Sacramento has some of the most two-faced fans I've ever seen. I'm telling you, WATCH what happens if Evans' production ever starts sliding a little bit. Or if (heaven forbid) he gets injured after Martin comes back and the team somehow keeps on winning. Will it be, "WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT EVANS"???
Just curious...

Classic "Ewing effect"?
I'm an outsider (Bucks fan) but have kept an eye on the Kings the last few years because I really liked K-Mart and now JT and Tyreke. I think it's because your doing well without him and he has a big contract and you haven't gone to the playoffs with him on that big deal (see the Bucks w/Michael Redd). It makes sense to deal him if you consider Tyreke a SG (which you don't) and if he is negatively effecting chemistry and how he effects Tyrekes game (yet to be seen). People tend to think big contracts need to be dealt once they start winning without them or have a star in the making that will eventually require a large deal and you have both which is why rumors persist. You should only consider if you can net loads of immediate savings or a stud big man and no less untill K-Mart proves he is a negative asset or the star he is and worth star value.

[OGSactownballer]

Getting back to the point of the thread:

Here's the thing. As was stated before - ad nauseum - there is nothing besides Bosh on the TO roster that would be of any interest or use to us. And to be quite honest, I often see the rag postings on here that claim that Kevin is just a scorer, a volume scorer, a chucker (LOL), and plays no D and has never took a team anywhere (besides that little end to end to beat SA in the playoffs in his second year over, oh yeah TIM DUNCAN!). Realistically from an outside perspective,you can say the same things about Bosh. All offense, no D. Gets nice rebound numbers because he's the only guy on the team that CAN. Hasn't ever taken the team anywhere on his own. So if you ask me, I wouldn't really want him on my team - especially since in JT we have an up and comer who does all teh other things to WIN A GAME that Bosh does not do, and costs us a LOT less.

[villatrynity154]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

This.
The thing is, about half of the current Kings fanbase jumped on the bandwagon in 2002 when we got good, and then jumped off in 2007 when we stopped getting to the playoffs. (I wonder how many people can actually name any pre-1999 kings players other than Mitch Richmond?) When we win, everybody's happy. But when we lose, everyone wants to trade somebody. It's just like when everybody was so gosh darn happy when he had the best record in the league in 2002, and people were just WAITING for that ring. Webber went down in the 2003 playoffs. The next season we started winning without him (just like we're doing right now without Kevin Martin) and what were people saying back then? TRADE WEBBER! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM! And what happened when we DID trade him? WHY DID WE TRADE WEBBER?!?! What are people saying now that we're winning with Kmart out of the lineup? TRADE MARTIN! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM!

I swear, Sacramento has some of the most two-faced fans I've ever seen. I'm telling you, WATCH what happens if Evans' production ever starts sliding a little bit. Or if (heaven forbid) he gets injured after Martin comes back and the team somehow keeps on winning. Will it be, "WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT EVANS"???
Just curious...

LOL! This post is incredibly offensive. I'm a bandwagoner because I wouldn't mind seeing Martin traded? I've been watching the Kings since I was born dude, and I can name plenty of pre-Mitch players and better yet, I HAVE THEIR BASKETBALL CARDS. I also never wanted to trade Webber either.

Don't make so many ridiculous assumptions. It just makes you look like an ass.

but the man has a point!

[SacTownKings4Life]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

This.
The thing is, about half of the current Kings fanbase jumped on the bandwagon in 2002 when we got good, and then jumped off in 2007 when we stopped getting to the playoffs. (I wonder how many people can actually name any pre-1999 kings players other than Mitch Richmond?) When we win, everybody's happy. But when we lose, everyone wants to trade somebody. It's just like when everybody was so gosh darn happy when he had the best record in the league in 2002, and people were just WAITING for that ring. Webber went down in the 2003 playoffs. The next season we started winning without him (just like we're doing right now without Kevin Martin) and what were people saying back then? TRADE WEBBER! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM! And what happened when we DID trade him? WHY DID WE TRADE WEBBER?!?! What are people saying now that we're winning with Kmart out of the lineup? TRADE MARTIN! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM!

I swear, Sacramento has some of the most two-faced fans I've ever seen. I'm telling you, WATCH what happens if Evans' production ever starts sliding a little bit. Or if (heaven forbid) he gets injured after Martin comes back and the team somehow keeps on winning. Will it be, "WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT EVANS"???
Just curious...

LOL! This post is incredibly offensive. I'm a bandwagoner because I wouldn't mind seeing Martin traded? I've been watching the Kings since I was born dude, and I can name plenty of pre-Mitch players and better yet, I HAVE THEIR BASKETBALL CARDS. I also never wanted to trade Webber either.

Don't make so many ridiculous assumptions. It just makes you look like an ass.

You misunderstand. And first of all, I said HALF the fanbase, not the ENTIRE fanbase. Those are two different things. Obviously there are SOME people who have been fans for a while. It's the fairweather people who's loyalty I question. But anyway...

I'm not calling YOU out personally for not MINDING a trade for Kevin Martin, so do not take my post so seriously or personally. If you wouldn't MIND a trade, then that's your opinion and you are fully entitled to it. What I have a problem with are people who simply want Kevin Martin OFF THE ROSTER for no apparent reason. It's like the Tracy McGrady treatment, except you can't even make the claim that Kmart "quit" on his team. They have no plan or strategy for the future success of the team, nor can they even name a legitimate and feasable trade FOR Martin that would actually improve the team. They just want him gone. Period. End of story. Just trade him for "somebody" who's good. It's the short-sightedness that "we're winning without him, so that means we don't need him at all, so lets trade him". As I said, it was the very same popular sentiment when Webber went down and the team was still winning. Most people don't look at the big picture and can only see whats going on RIGHT NOW. THAT, my friend, is what I have a problem with. I have no problem with you not MINDING a trade. But can you name me a trade thats actually POSSIBLE and would without a doubt improve our team immediately AND have a greater impact than actually keeping him on the roster? If so, I would really like to hear it because that would actually be an intelligent and respectable opinion. (not saying that you don't have one, I'm just saying that I would like to hear the discussion)

If the "fans" were GMs right now, we would be royally SUCKING right now with Martin out and NO Rubio either. (because if the fans had their way, we wouldn't have drafted Evans in the first place)
I think people should calm down and let Geoff Petrie do his job. He's done at LEAST a halfway decent job thus far, right?

[villatrynity154]

I dont see how kings fans are soo quick to send off a Martin. Lets be honest, this Kings team that played against the Lakers last night is NOT the same Kings team Martin played on the first few games of the season. You dont trade away a piece of your puzzle until it is PROVEN it doesnt fit. Let the players play it out before you go crazy with your GM skills. I think Petrie has shown he is more than capable. With that being said i cant wait to see what this Kings team is like with Martin back in the starting line up!!! Good days are ahead kings fans

This.
The thing is, about half of the current Kings fanbase jumped on the bandwagon in 2002 when we got good, and then jumped off in 2007 when we stopped getting to the playoffs. (I wonder how many people can actually name any pre-1999 kings players other than Mitch Richmond?) When we win, everybody's happy. But when we lose, everyone wants to trade somebody. It's just like when everybody was so gosh darn happy when he had the best record in the league in 2002, and people were just WAITING for that ring. Webber went down in the 2003 playoffs. The next season we started winning without him (just like we're doing right now without Kevin Martin) and what were people saying back then? TRADE WEBBER! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM! And what happened when we DID trade him? WHY DID WE TRADE WEBBER?!?! What are people saying now that we're winning with Kmart out of the lineup? TRADE MARTIN! WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM!

I swear, Sacramento has some of the most two-faced fans I've ever seen. I'm telling you, WATCH what happens if Evans' production ever starts sliding a little bit. Or if (heaven forbid) he gets injured after Martin comes back and the team somehow keeps on winning. Will it be, "WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT EVANS"???
Just curious...

Classic "Ewing effect"?
I'm an outsider (Bucks fan) but have kept an eye on the Kings the last few years because I really liked K-Mart and now JT and Tyreke. I think it's because your doing well without him and he has a big contract and you haven't gone to the playoffs with him on that big deal (see the Bucks w/Michael Redd). It makes sense to deal him if you consider Tyreke a SG (which you don't) and if he is negatively effecting chemistry and how he effects Tyrekes game (yet to be seen). People tend to think big contracts need to be dealt once they start winning without them or have a star in the making that will eventually require a large deal and you have both which is why rumors persist. You should only consider if you can net loads of immediate savings or a stud big man and no less untill K-Mart proves he is a negative asset or the star he is and worth star value.

right...i mean why are we being so quick to want to sign a free agent this offseason???let the other teams dream about it...we on the other hand are making things happen rather than wait to be lucky "and try and land lebron" (lebron-types)...lets stick to the gameplan!!!

[ICMTM]

Great...while i'm locking threads because I have serious heartburn and can't sleep....

Toronto and Sac don't make great trade partners. I don't have Jim Less and Pete Chillcutt cards. I don't own a Wayman Tisdale CD, I like Mark Olberding because the name Olberding is cool. Danny Ainge is a Celtic....yada yada yada.

It's run its course.