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[MaceCase]

Turk is better than his stats show. We in Toronto don't have a true post presence that he can play with, you guys have Horford. I'm not sure how your ball handling is, but I'm sure he will give you an edge in the playoffs. Toronto will take a bad contract if you have any.

Yea but Turk is still not 52 million better than his stats especially not at age 30 where his production will only continue to decline while his contract increases. Last I checked, Bosh is far more legit in the post than Horford and we have plenty of ball handlers already. Sorry but we may have to eat Marvin's contract over it's life but that"s a far more optimistic outlook than paying Turk 12 million when he's 35.

[Harry10]

Superb post defense? What team have you been watching? The Hawks are 23rd in opponents points in the paint and 19th in defensive rebounding rate. Ask Dwight Howard about our superb post defense.

Jefferson averaged 23/11 last year. This deal is a no brainer.

you can't actually be saying, and belieivng that "points in the paint" is an accurate reflextion of a team's post defense??? if you really beleive that "points in the paint" ranking is a true representation of a team interior defense, then you are saying Roy Hibbert and Troy Murphy play better defense then Smoove and Horford!?

i generally like going by opponent shooting efficiency or defensive efficiency, because it does a better job at factoring out the different pace of the game, that teams have.

[tontoz]

Superb post defense? What team have you been watching? The Hawks are 23rd in opponents points in the paint and 19th in defensive rebounding rate. Ask Dwight Howard about our superb post defense.

Jefferson averaged 23/11 last year. This deal is a no brainer.

you can't actually be saying, and belieivng that "points in the paint" is an accurate reflextion of a team's post defense??? if you really beleive that "points in the paint" ranking is a true representation of a team interior defense, then you are saying Roy Hibbert and Troy Murphy play better defense then Smoove and Horford!?

i generally like going by opponent shooting efficiency or defensive efficiency, because it does a better job at factoring out the different pace of the game, that teams have.

Points in the paint defense is definitely an indicator of a teams post defense. The Cavs lead the league in pts in the paint defense. How did Horford and Smith fair against them offensively?

Your analogy is so off base that i don't even know where to begin. First of all the idea that Murphy and Hibbert are better defensively than Smith and Horford is just a nonsensical strawman. Overall defense and post defense are two different things and points in the paint defense is an indicator of more than just two players. But i won't go into further detail because i know you won't understand it anyway.

The Hawks are 14th in the league in defensive efficiency in spite of the fact that they are 8th in blocks and 10th in steals. There is no area of the Hawks defense that could be described as superb. Teams are shooting 46.5% against the Hawks on the season. Even Toronto is holding teams to a lower percentage. So are the Bucks, Wizards and Suns.

[Harry10]

^ your post is just funny. your points in the paint argument is just ridiculous. going by that stat, so you are also claiming that Utah's post D is better than San Antonio, Toronto's is better then the Laker's post D

funny how incomplete information can fool some. fact of the matter is that, alot of the teams on the top of the list only average 155 shots per game, while the Hawks take and allow about 165 shots per game. i can't believe i have to be explaining this. this is why efficiency stats are generally better to go by.

[tontoz]

^ your post is just funny. your points in the paint argument is just ridiculous. going by that stat, so you are also claiming that Utah's post D is better than San Antonio, Toronto's is better then the Laker's post D

funny how incomplete information can fool some. fact of the matter is that, alot of the teams on the top of the list only average 155 shots per game, while the Hawks take and allow about 165 shots per game. i can't believe i have to be explaining this. this is why efficiency stats are generally better to go by.

You prove yet again that you don't understand English. I said pts in the paint defense was AN indicator of interior D. I didn't say it was the only one or a concrete one. However it should be noted that Boston, Orlando and Cleveland occupy 3 of the top 4 spots in opponents pts in the paint per game.

The Hawks are 23rd. If the Hawks post D was superb there is no way they would rank 23rd in pts in the paint D. What makes it even worse is that the Hawks are 23rd in the league in pace of play which actually helps them in any defensive ppg stat.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/op ... t-per-game

If you want to go by efficiency the Hawks are 14th. JJ and Marvin aren't horrible defenders and bibby and Crawford can only screw up the Hawks d so much.

You have yet to show any evidence that any aspect of the Hawks D is superior. I guess you are using your usual "because I say so" logic, which isn't logic but a delusion.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I love Big Al, but Big Al is better and it'd be a huge mistake to trade Big Al for Big Al