Celtics Made an Offer for Hinrich

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

Question is do you give up a first? It'll be a low one. I got two words for you when considering your answer: JR Giddens.

Kendrick Perkins.

[Captain_Caveman]

Rajon Rondo was also a fairly late 1st rounder.

Anyhow, worst part about this is that the Lakers are also going for Hinrich, which means that the Bulls actually have some leverage with this clown with a clown contract that they should be lucky to even dump in this economy.

And people are talking about TWO draft picks for Hinrich? I don't even want to give up two drops of piss for the guy! Yeah, he looked OK against Pierce in the playoffs, but come on! For $9m a year, I want a better player than Kirk Hinrich, for chrissakes.

He's a backup combo guard! That's the easiest position to fill on a team. Hard to believe that we spent an entire offseason arguing if Rondo was worth a $55m extension vs a $50m extension, and now we want to take on a backup combo guard who has 2.5 years left at $9m a year?!?!

Ughh... guys, it's not so dire that we need to throw in picks for this guy. We have $30m in expiring contracts and teams are DYING to shed payroll right now. This is a great opportunity to set this team up both now and in the future!

Dare to dream!

[greenmachine_2849]

Rajon Rondo was also a fairly late 1st rounder.

Anyhow, worst part about this is that the Lakers are also going for Hinrich, which means that the Bulls actually have some leverage with this clown with a clown contract that they should be lucky to even dump in this economy.

And people are talking about TWO draft picks for Hinrich? I don't even want to give up two drops of piss for the guy! Yeah, he looked OK against Pierce in the playoffs, but come on! For $9m a year, I want a better player than Kirk Hinrich, for chrissakes.

He's a backup combo guard! That's the easiest position to fill on a team. Hard to believe that we spent an entire offseason arguing if Rondo was worth a $55m extension vs a $50m extension, and now we want to take on a backup combo guard who has 2.5 years left at $9m a year?!?!

Ughh... guys, it's not so dire that we need to throw in picks for this guy. We have $30m in expiring contracts and teams are DYING to shed payroll right now. This is a great opportunity to set this team up both now and in the future!

Dare to dream!

I think it is a little misleading to say that Hinrich is a backup combo guard, as he could probably start at point guard for half the teams in the NBA, imo. And I think you are using the description "combo guard" a little liberally when talking about how easy of a position it is to fill. If you mean a player that is too short to not be a liability defensively at the two, yet is not a good enough ballhandler/playmaker to be an effective point guard on offense, then, sure, it is a pretty easy position to fill. We have that player on our team right now in Eddie House. However, if by combo guard you mean a player that is a very effective defender at both the one and two, yet can also handle the ball like a point and shoot like a SG, I don't see too many of that type of player around. Yeah, $9 million is a little steep, but he could essentially play starter minutes like he does in Chicago. It would mean a few less minutes for Rondo and Ray Allen, but I don't think anybody sees that as a huge concern.

At the end of the day, I would rather overpay a little (both in contract and in what we give up) for a quality player like Kirk Hinrich than sit back, see what happens, and run the risk of getting a player like Stephon Marbury at the last minute when all the other options have come and gone. However, if history is any indication, that is likely what Ainge will end up doing. Nate Robinson, anyone?

[Banks2Pierce]

Caveman is right: he is a backup combo guard on 90% of NBA teams and he is making 9 million for the next 3 years. Pass.

[Slartibartfast]

Rajon Rondo was also a fairly late 1st rounder.

Anyhow, worst part about this is that the Lakers are also going for Hinrich, which means that the Bulls actually have some leverage with this clown with a clown contract that they should be lucky to even dump in this economy.

And people are talking about TWO draft picks for Hinrich? I don't even want to give up two drops of piss for the guy! Yeah, he looked OK against Pierce in the playoffs, but come on! For $9m a year, I want a better player than Kirk Hinrich, for chrissakes.

He's a backup combo guard! That's the easiest position to fill on a team. Hard to believe that we spent an entire offseason arguing if Rondo was worth a $55m extension vs a $50m extension, and now we want to take on a backup combo guard who has 2.5 years left at $9m a year?!?!

Ughh... guys, it's not so dire that we need to throw in picks for this guy. We have $30m in expiring contracts and teams are DYING to shed payroll right now. This is a great opportunity to set this team up both now and in the future!

Dare to dream!

I think it is a little misleading to say that Hinrich is a backup combo guard, as he could probably start at point guard for half the teams in the NBA, imo. And I think you are using the description "combo guard" a little liberally when talking about how easy of a position it is to fill. If you mean a player that is too short to not be a liability defensively at the two, yet is not a good enough ballhandler/playmaker to be an effective point guard on offense, then, sure, it is a pretty easy position to fill. We have that player on our team right now in Eddie House. However, if by combo guard you mean a player that is a very effective defender at both the one and two, yet can also handle the ball like a point and shoot like a SG, I don't see too many of that type of player around. Yeah, $9 million is a little steep, but he could essentially play starter minutes like he does in Chicago. It would mean a few less minutes for Rondo and Ray Allen, but I don't think anybody sees that as a huge concern.

At the end of the day, I would rather overpay a little (both in contract and in what we give up) for a quality player like Kirk Hinrich than sit back, see what happens, and run the risk of getting a player like Stephon Marbury at the last minute when all the other options have come and gone. However, if history is any indication, that is likely what Ainge will end up doing. Nate Robinson, anyone?

Yep. Hinrich could get 25- 30 mpg backing up Rondo and Ray. Certainly not the best bang for the buck, but he's playoff proven, extremely versatile and plugs a big hole on the team, on paper at least. Put it this way: would you rather have TA/Scal/Eddie logging playoff minutes or Kirk Hinrich?

[Captain_Caveman]

Well... right on, green.

But IMO Hinrich is a prime example of a board overrating a guy just because he plays well against their team.

One of the best things about what Danny has done is that we have great future flexibility without many long-term contracts. You don't mess that up by locking yourself into a BACKUP GUARD making $8-9m a year.

I mean, if the guy's contract were expiring, I might toss this year's pick with some expirings for him, but whatever. But there's a reason Chicago is trying to dump the guy.

[3pt %]

Dont the Bulls have a long history of overrating their players? That's why they haven't managed to make the trade they need to for a decent front court player, even though players like Amare, Shaq, KG etc have moved clubs.

edit..Amare hasn't moved cluns, but has been available for ages.

[vct33]

Hinrich is an elite defender at the 2 spot. A PG quality dribbler and passer which would allow us to use Eddie House.

You say that like it's a good thing. I want a deal that allows us to NOT use Eddie House.

[sully00]

I like Hinrich a lot, I have concerns about him being a starting SG at 6'3" but the league is trending that way so it may not be as much of a concern though he appears to be a much better defender at the PG spot (though that could also be misleading as he would play the point against backups and play the 2 against starters.)

But clearly the Bulls have no reason to trade him if he is starting for them and they are winning games, over .500, and headed to the postseason.

[greenmachine_2849]

Well... right on, green.

But IMO Hinrich is a prime example of a board overrating a guy just because he plays well against their team.

One of the best things about what Danny has done is that we have great future flexibility without many long-term contracts. You don't mess that up by locking yourself into a BACKUP GUARD making $8-9m a year.

I mean, if the guy's contract were expiring, I might toss this year's pick with some expirings for him, but whatever. But there's a reason Chicago is trying to dump the guy.

The thing about Hinrich is that I believe his contract goes on for two more years past this one, which I think is the same time that the contracts of Garnett, Pierce, and Wallace expire. And until those three players' contracts expire, I don't see how we can possibly get under the cap, especially with Rondo's contract extension kicking in next year. Having said that, I think adding a Kirk Hinrich to our bench would increase our chances of winning a another title during the Big Three era, and I don't see anything that we would be giving up (in terms of both actual talent/draft picks and in financial flexibility) that would cost us terribly in the long term. I would do something along the lines of House (wouldn't play any with Hinrich here anyway), Scalabrine, their choice of Giddens/Walker, and our 2010 first rounder for Hinrich and be pretty happy with it. I'd probably even replace Scalabrine with Davis if necessary.

But like Sully said, I don't think, with the Bulls back in the playoff hunt, that Hinrich is going anywhere. At least not for scraps.

[Evil_Headband]

But clearly the Bulls have no reason to trade him if he is starting for them and they are winning games, over .500, and headed to the postseason.

It's not about this year for the Bulls. They need to trim salary in order to afford a max free agent this off-season. Hinrich or Salmons must go. The Bulls would prefer to part with Salmons but, if there are no takers, will probably deal Hinrich to the highest bidder.

[irie]

It seems a lot more reasonable for them to take him off the market given how effective he's been for them in a starting role.

[Evil_Headband]

It seems a lot more reasonable for them to take him off the market given how effective he's been for them in a starting role.

And take themselves out of the running for Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson or Lee?

[Leto]

Bulls fan here. Let me just clear a few things up for you guys. First, the Bulls aren't looking to "dump" Hinrich. He's easily our best perimeter defender and maybe our best overall defender on a team that ranks 7th in defensive efficiency and has gotten alot more stingy with Tyrus back and getting minutes. Second, he doesn't play the opposing team's starting SG every game. Instead, he takes the opposing teams best offensive guard. E.G., when we play the Suns, he guards Nash. We play NOH, he guards CP3 etc.

Basically, I don't think you guys have the pieces to get Kirk. Maybe Salmons. And, the poster was right who said that we'd be looking to move him instead of Kirk. One correction on Salmons' salary is he has a player option next summer for 5.8 mil. I don't think it will be too difficult to trade him for expirings before the deadline. He's a good player that plays both ends of the floor and has a reasonable contract. With the acquisition of Devin Brown, I'm kind of expecting him to be gone by the deadline.