Lakers versus Celtics. 1/31/10

[IEcelticfan]

Yea we can beat any of the other top teams in a 7 game series. We almost beat Orlando last year without KG.

And you've lost 3 straight to the Lakers.

where it counts .... for all the marbles ..... right, er....wait .....

[Kefa461]

Again......not being healthy but just add Daniels.....the C's lost by 2..9...and 1 point. Yeah the C's suck so bad. One player in that rotation would make a difference. But no the C's suck. Take a player out of the rotation of the Hawks game..or the Magic....or from the Lakers and ....but no the C's suck for the rest of season. I think the C's will be fine before Playoff time.

[Celts17Pride]

Again......not being healthy but just add Daniels.....the C's lost by 2..9...and 1 point. Yeah the C's suck so bad. One player in that rotation would make a difference. But no the C's suck. Take a player out of the rotation of the Hawks game..or the Magic....or from the Lakers and ....but no the C's suck for the rest of season. I think the C's will be fine before Playoff time.

Celtics will be fine and Daniels will help but I still say the Celtics need a backup PG and a rebounding PF. Leon Powe's loss really hurts because Big Baby is not the physiscal player Leon was for the Celtics. A legit backup PG would solve a lot of the issues the Celtics have now.

[Ben-N1ce]

Again......not being healthy but just add Daniels.....the C's lost by 2..9...and 1 point. Yeah the C's suck so bad. One player in that rotation would make a difference. But no the C's suck. Take a player out of the rotation of the Hawks game..or the Magic....or from the Lakers and ....but no the C's suck for the rest of season. I think the C's will be fine before Playoff time.

Celtics will be fine and Daniels will help but I still say the Celtics need a backup PG and a rebounding PF. Leon Powe's loss really hurts because Big Baby is not the physiscal player Leon was for the Celtics. A legit backup PG would solve a lot of the issues the Celtics have now.

Agreed. Without additions the current lineup even with Marquis it is not good enough. Good enought to win 1 round but then beat an ATL ORL and CLEV back to back...highly unlikely.

[LAKESHOW]

Again......not being healthy but just add Daniels.....the C's lost by 2..9...and 1 point. Yeah the C's suck so bad. One player in that rotation would make a difference. But no the C's suck. Take a player out of the rotation of the Hawks game..or the Magic....or from the Lakers and ....but no the C's suck for the rest of season. I think the C's will be fine before Playoff time.

Celtics will be fine and Daniels will help but I still say the Celtics need a backup PG and a rebounding PF. Leon Powe's loss really hurts because Big Baby is not the physiscal player Leon was for the Celtics. A legit backup PG would solve a lot of the issues the Celtics have now.

well, the celtics to me have all of the weapons. the problem? no offensive cohesion in their gameplan. when they won a coupla years ago, i thought that they had probably the best defensive team i have EVER seen. the celtics would shut down teams that they couldnt even throw a basketball into the pacific ocean. that good. however, that OVERT EMPHASIS on a defensive philosophy brings with it a skiddish mentality on offense. the offense sputters and the mindset is "its ok, because we can always get it back on the defensive end" rivers is a championship coach, so you cant complain, he won the chip. but winning long term demands offensive execution. and i didnt see that in several games this year, including the LAKER game.

[kobeaki]

hey guys, not trolling, that game yesterday was great, for us obviously, but it was the first time ever with a game between our teams that was relatively clean and hard fought on both sides, look we are both pretty beat up, and ray payed some killer perfect d on the last shot...i guess i am saying for the first time ever i wouldve been ok had we lost that game because it was so good to watch...you guys know what i mean? anyhow see ya in a couple of weeks...

[hourockman]

Bynum looked good...he might be the first Laker star since West and Baylor that wasn't acquired because a guy demanded to go to LA or some other circumstance leading to a gift of a trade...must be a nice feeling.

Cousy, Bird, McHale, Parish, and KG say hi.

They drafted Larry Legend with several other teams before them so I can't see how they were handed him. Garnett was 31 and Jefferson 22 so there's no way I consider that trade as lopsided.
Lakers history:
Handed Mikan.
Handed Chamberlain.
Handed Jabaar.
Handed Magic.
Handed Kobe.
Handed Shaq.
Handed Gasol.
I'll give them credit for West(Baylor was an elite prospect so that was more obvious) and Bynum's looking good but the rest of Laker history is based on teams giving them gifts or players like Kobe and Shaq wanting to play there. Not impressed.

Lol. Bird was "handed" to the C's just as much as Magic was "handed" to the Lakers. His pick arose out of that franchise swap with Buffalo. Magic came from a trade (draft picks involved) 3 yrs prior in the day when there was no such thing as protected picks. So did Worthy. So did the #1 pick that you traded for McHale and Parish. That's all luck, not being handed anything.

How the hell were they handed Shaq? He was a free agent. They were handed Shaq because he wanted to go there?

They got Jabbar because Milwaukee wanted a center and the Knicks couldn't scrounge one up. Jabbar did narrow the choices down, I'll give you that.

Handed Kobe as in "We want your starting center for this 17 year old guard" (the first guard ever to enter the draft out of HS).

They got Mikan out of a dispersal draft among all the fledgling teams in the NBL.

[Banks2Pierce]

Yea, I'd say handed shaq and Kobe. It's hollywood and it's a desirable place. Kobe, from all reports I've read, wouldn't have reported to charlotte.

But, who cares? We can't knock a team for where they play. It's not their fault.

[hourockman]

Yea, I'd say handed shaq and Kobe. It's hollywood and it's a desirable place. Kobe, from all reports I've read, wouldn't have reported to charlotte.

Charlotte took him w/ the expressed purpose of trading him for Flope Diva due to them losing Zo to the Heat a year prior. They had Matt Geiger, Father Time Parish, and George Zidek taking turns starting for them in 95/96. Their GM Bob Bass told the press that they didn't want a 17 y.o. guard. The trade was already pre-conceived, Charlotte didn't want Kobe.

You're thinking of the Nets. It's been rumored that they were told Kobe wouldn't report, but they were interested in Kittles and Kobe and took Kittles.

[Bgil]

Again......not being healthy but just add Daniels.....the C's lost by 2..9...and 1 point. Yeah the C's suck so bad. One player in that rotation would make a difference. But no the C's suck. Take a player out of the rotation of the Hawks game..or the Magic....or from the Lakers and ....but no the C's suck for the rest of season. I think the C's will be fine before Playoff time.

We beat you last year without Bynum. Neither Bynum or Ariza (2 starters) played in the Finals.

[hourockman]

Lol. Bird was "handed" to the C's just as much as Magic was "handed" to the Lakers. His pick arose out of that franchise swap with Buffalo. Magic came from a trade (draft picks involved) 3 yrs prior in the day when there was no such thing as protected picks. So did Worthy. So did the #1 pick that you traded for McHale and Parish. That's all luck, not being handed anything.

I'll go further on this one. The Pistons, Jazz, and Cavs (the three teams that gave up their picks to LA and Boston), weren't in the position to pay for 1st rounders back then. Perhaps you could say that Boston and LA preyed upon their weaknesses in that regard, but by cosmic coincidence, all 3 of those teams wound up w/ the worst records in the seasons where Magic, Worthy, and Bostons 1980 #1 were up for bids and Bos/LA won all 3 coin tosses. That makes 3 times where the #1 pick was lost by a team in a 4 yr span, which ushered in the era of protected picks. GS was stupid enough to consider JBC the best player in the draft instead of the White Salamander.

The financial landscape of the league today seems a bit like it was then. A team like LA can take advantage of poorer teams merely thru legal trades. Memphis thought they needed cap relief and Kwame had the biggest expiring K out there. Hard to fathom why fans are so resistant to acknowledging that in light of the F'd up economy that we're all living in. Their general dislike for the Lakers seems to be the reason.

* In 82, Utah was forced to sell the 3rd pick (Nique) to Atlanta for John Drew and a million bucks. They lost both the 1st and the 3rd picks. Given that they weren't on the brink of collapse during those years, they could have theoretically had a combination of Magic + Dantley + Cummings or Worthy or Nique or a trade of the pick to fill their 1 or 5 spot. Alas, Joesph Smith didn't prophesize it.

* Magic's pick came about as compensation for Gail Goodrich signing as a vet FA w/ New Orleans in 1976. Rules at the time stated that some compensation to the losing team was required. NO chose to give up future picks, one of them was their "highest 1st rounder in 1979".

^ That's the way pro sports is. Too much context involved to make claims like "they were handed this and that". You'd also have to be a fool to think that Boston and LA weren't USUALLY going to succeed in personnel ventures when they had people like Auerbach, Sharman, and West in their front offices. Are we to riddle ourselves with guilt over those advantages too?

[Celtsfan1980]

Lol. Bird was "handed" to the C's just as much as Magic was "handed" to the Lakers. His pick arose out of that franchise swap with Buffalo. Magic came from a trade (draft picks involved) 3 yrs prior in the day when there was no such thing as protected picks. So did Worthy. So did the #1 pick that you traded for McHale and Parish. That's all luck, not being handed anything.

How the hell were they handed Shaq? He was a free agent. They were handed Shaq because he wanted to go there?

They got Jabbar because Milwaukee wanted a center and the Knicks couldn't scrounge one up. Jabbar did narrow the choices down, I'll give you that.

Handed Kobe as in "We want your starting center for this 17 year old guard" (the first guard ever to enter the draft out of HS).

They got Mikan out of a dispersal draft among all the fledgling teams in the NBL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977%E2%80%9378_NBA_season
I've read a lot on Celtic history and I've never read anything about that. According to the Wikipedia site, there were 5 teams worse than them. They drafted Bird with the sixth pick, so that would mean that was their own pick. I'll admit the Dennis Johnson trade was ridiculous and they should not have had Cousy but it would appear Bird was legitimately drafted.

Free agency just means you're getting a player for nothing. Even lopsided trades at least involve some players being traded and you're not getting a player for absolutely nothing. Scouts haven't looked at high school players as much so it makes them harder to judge. Vlade Divac wasn't very good to begin with, and my understanding is Kobe refused to play for the Nets. They would have drafted him if he hadn't said anything.

[LAKESHOW]

a coupla things.

the pushoff did have acting involved. i mean, with that push, you dont go into the 6th row or whatever it was. but the point is, when the ARM IS EXTENDED like pierce' was, it gives the refs a look. and the look that the ref saw was the EXTENDED ARM from pierce. that in and of itself was "just enough" to make the call legit. send an armbar, or elbow bent look and it looks like nothing, but the extension gave enough of a quality look for the ref to blow the whistle.

secondly, the celtics gameplan of running at kobe was working. he was givin up the rock. but in the final seconds of the game, WHO ELSE IS GONNA GET THE BALL?? with that knowledge, the celtics chose to go 1 on 1 with kobe. that was a bad decision.

it was great D by Ray Allen no one else in the game could have made that shot Kobe's made that one quite a few times before it's just off the charts difficulty no fault of Allen's.

exactly. its not allens fault he was stuck 1 on 1. but if staff had seen tape of miami game, milwaukee game, sacramento game . . . etc... they wouldve known NOT to take him 1 on 1.

[artest420]

Bynum looked good...he might be the first Laker star since West and Baylor that wasn't acquired because a guy demanded to go to LA or some other circumstance leading to a gift of a trade...must be a nice feeling.

Cousy, Bird, McHale, Parish, and KG say hi.

They drafted Larry Legend with several other teams before them so I can't see how they were handed him. Garnett was 31 and Jefferson 22 so there's no way I consider that trade as lopsided.
Lakers history:
Handed Mikan.
Handed Chamberlain.
Handed Jabaar.
Handed Magic.
Handed Kobe.
Handed Shaq.
Handed Gasol.
I'll give them credit for West(Baylor was an elite prospect so that was more obvious) and Bynum's looking good but the rest of Laker history is based on teams giving them gifts or players like Kobe and Shaq wanting to play there. Not impressed.

F**K the Lakers. those BS calls always go their way.

[DubaLakers]

Kobe was what drafted 17th and who's fault is that that JWest is brilliant, 17th? Vlade was a what top 5 center in the league probably without looking, Vlade hit prime in Sacto not LA.

[TonyMontana]

They drafted Larry Legend with several other teams before them so I can't see how they were handed him. Garnett was 31 and Jefferson 22 so there's no way I consider that trade as lopsided.
Lakers history:
Handed Mikan.
Handed Chamberlain.
Handed Jabaar.
Handed Magic.
Handed Kobe.
Handed Shaq.
Handed Gasol.
I'll give them credit for West(Baylor was an elite prospect so that was more obvious) and Bynum's looking good but the rest of Laker history is based on teams giving them gifts or players like Kobe and Shaq wanting to play there. Not impressed.

F**K the Lakers. those BS calls always go their way.

Im just amazed how a game thread goes from the game itself to the history of the franchise then to the trades and who got hand outs and then to conspiracy and now this post???

[USA]

Kobe was what drafted 17th and who's fault is that that JWest is brilliant, 17th? Vlade was a what top 5 center in the league probably without looking, Vlade hit prime in Sacto not LA.

Just to clarify, Kobe was drafted 13th not 17th. Carry on.