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Re: ESPN Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Martin, Iggy and More 

Post#41 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:44 am

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/d ... ef:nbahpt1

I hate trade columns.

Weeks of speculation that almost never pan out and aren't anchored by any kind of reality. If it's not an agent looking to place his client(s) somewhere else, it's a GM, on orders of his silent owner, looking to create a market for a player he wants to to ditch. Even the "truth" of something, like Team A is shopping a player, is normally calculated by Team A for its own self-interest. Plus, almost everyone is lying this time of year; the teams that are really looking to do something deny it even when they're caught red-handed.

Hate them.

But you love them, and I get that. Nothing beats bar talk (How good would the Cavs be with Jamison?), and it's fun when it's not your job to check out every rancid, ridiculous rumor. But we are within two weeks of the Feb. 18 trade deadline, so I guess spending a few minutes dipping into the water isn't going to kill me.

So ... by this time next week, it's almost a certainty that Caron Butler will be gone from Washington, and highly likely that Tyrus Thomas will no longer be a Bull. By the 18th, Indiana's Troy Murphy and Philly's Andre Iguodala are certain to have new addresses as well, though those teams may well go right up until the 3 p.m. deadline to max out their suitors' offers.

Amar'e Stoudemire? For all the talk that a trade is a done deal, two people who should know swore to me Sunday that it's much more likely the Suns hold onto STAT than make a trade.

Stoudemire's declaration to Yahoo! Sports that he might well not opt out of his deal after this season and play the final season at $17.68 million next year, though, would seem to make him more likely to be traded than not; teams will be much more willing to take on one year of salary before a new Collective Bargaining Agreement is worked out than try to sign a free agent like Stoudemire not knowing what the new rules would be on new contracts.

Would Philly bite the bullet anyway, and make a deal, sending Iguodala out West? Not without some certainty that Stoudemire wouldn't opt out after next season, and the Sixers still believe he will, meaning they'd get probably wind up with nothing, as they certainly aren't going to be in a position to give him the $60 million for three years that he's been seeking. That's a non-starter for Philly.

Would Chicago mind if Stoudemire opted out? Probably not. He's not their target next summer; I remain convinced Dwyane Wade and/or Chris Bosh are. So if the Bulls deal for Stoudemire and he walks, that's just $17 million more in cap room for them.

On the other hand, the Bulls, I'm told, are terrified that if they don't move Thomas by the 18th, he'll happily accept the one-year, $6.2 million qualifying offer Chicago would have to tender him this summer as a restricted free agent -- a complete non-starter for a team that is determined to save every penny toward next summer. And if they don't tender him and let him walk as an unrestricted free agent -- what Milwaukee did last summer with Charlie Villanueva, for example -- they will have let Ben Gordon and Thomas scoot town in consecutive seasons while getting nothing in return, and that would be a hard sell to Bulls fans.

Sending Thomas to Houston as part of a package for Tracy McGrady's expiring contract would seem to be the way to go. The problem, though, from a source in the middle of all this, is that Houston is not interested in Kirk Hinrich, whose contract would be central toward making a deal with the Rockets work. (Chicago still has expiring pieces like Brad Miller that could make a deal possible, however.)

The Wizards' desire to move Butler has only increased in recent days, since they found out they will indeed get some cap relief from the NBA this season after losing Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton to suspension for the rest of the season. Washington's cap number will be reduced almost $4 million, according to sources -- pro-rated amounts of the remainder of Arenas's $16.1 million and Crittenton's $1.47 million salaries -- taking its cap number to a little more than $74 million. The cap threshhold is $69.9 million, meaning Washington could avoid paying tax if it can pare another $4 to $5 million in salaries off its books.


That means Butler, though I suspect the Wizards will ask inquiring teams to remove Mike James and/or DeShawn Stevenson from their payroll as well.


Butler winding up somewhere in Texas is most likely, with Washington probably deciding between Dallas' and Houston's competing offers before next week's All-Star Game. The Wizards are determined to get a young player back, though, and the Mavericks' only non-geezer is rookie guard Rod Beaubois -- while Houston has a young guard like Kyle Lowry and an expiring big man contract in forward Luis Scola to pair with McGrady's $22 million expiring deal.

(Don't discount Portland, either. While much has been made of the Blazers' pursuit of Washington center Brendan Haywood, the Blazers have just as much, if not more, interest in Butler, and are willing to put $3 milliion in cash toward a deal -- which certainly interests the Wizards. But Portland's refusal to put any of its young players other than Martell Webster in any potential deal puts it on the outside looking in. As has been reported, the Wizards want either Nicholas Batum -- no chance -- or Rudy Fernandez -- not likely, as he is a favorite of many inside the Blazers' braintrust. The Lakers would also love to repatriate Butler with Kobe Bryant, who would love to have him. But L.A. doesn't have the expiring contract/young player assets necessary to get seriously involved.)

As for Jamison and Haywood, Washington would rather hold onto both, though there's always a deal out there that can change someone's mind. Cleveland, as everyone knows by now, wants Jamison, but the Cavs still don't want to part with second-year forward J.J. Hickson, whom the Wizards looked long and hard at before taking JaVale McGee in the 2008 Draft. The Cavs and Rockets are also in the market for extra picks for 2009, and are willing to pay for them.


Seems Butler is a lock to go. Looks also like they want major salary relief to avoid tax. The deal i keep proposing would shed 3.5 million instantly off their cap but im sure a 3rd team could be involved to get rid of Oberto or take one of our players to move their savings to over 4 million. lets hope BC works the phones. I mean our 3.5 million instant savings + we could send 3 million cash, a 2010 second (decent young player), jose calderon (future PG) + antonie wright (25 years old) i think it would get the deal done.
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Re: Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Iggy Goners? Updates PG 3 

Post#42 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:03 am

also theres an insider article on ESPN whos most likely to be dealt but i dont have an account so if someone else does they could post it.
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Post#43 » by Walid » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:13 am

I wish DeMar DeRozan will be as good as Andre Igouadala, judging by his work ethic if he keeps at it on his jumper and defense it'll be no problem. If he keeps playing like he is now with better d, I would compare him to Ronnie Brewer.
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Re: Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Iggy Goners? Updates PG 3 

Post#45 » by Shevchenko » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:17 am

Pretty weird thing I found on nba.com

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/career_stats.html

I was looking at AI's career stats and it says on here he had one all star appearance and I am pretty damn sure he was never an all star....

could this be something the 76ers are doing to boost his trade value? lol
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Re: Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Iggy Goners? Updates PG 3 

Post#46 » by Shevchenko » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:18 am

Shevchenko wrote:Pretty weird thing I found on nba.com

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/career_stats.html

I was looking at AI's career stats and it says on here he had one all star appearance and I am pretty damn sure he was never an all star....

could this be something the 76ers are doing to boost his trade value? lol


and he started his only all star game and shot 13 for 17... :o :o :o
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Post#47 » by MrBojangelz71 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:19 am

Young_Buc wrote:
RedX wrote:Iggy would be an ABSOLUTE perfect fit for us. If we could ever get him........ but we can't.


If we gave up our expirings, and Calderon and took on Dalembert it's possible...


That's funny!

They would give up their franchise player and their best center for Calderon and expirings!

Damn it BC, get er done!
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Re: Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Iggy Goners? Updates PG 3 

Post#48 » by ans4 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:28 am

Shevchenko wrote:Pretty weird thing I found on nba.com

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/career_stats.html

I was looking at AI's career stats and it says on here he had one all star appearance and I am pretty damn sure he was never an all star....

could this be something the 76ers are doing to boost his trade value? lol


Looks like its the Rookie/Sophomore game. http://www.nba.com/games/20060217/RKESPH/boxscore.html
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Post#49 » by _venom_ » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:36 am

The only way the Raptors would have any chance to get Butler is if they could get a 3rd team involved that could send an expiring contract to Washington in exchange for Calderon. Washington has no use for Calderon. They're trying to cut salary while Calderon's contract runs for 4 more years.

To Toronto
Butler

To Washington
Expiring
Belinelli (decent young player)

To 3rd Team
Calderon

Something like that would be our only hope, but it's not going to happen, he's headed West.
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Post#50 » by _venom_ » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:40 am

Trade that works, and the destination that Calderon is perfectly suited for (LAL):

To Toronto
Butler

To Washington
Morrison (expiring)
Farmar (expiring)
Mbenga (expiring)
Belinelli (1 year remaining)

To Los Angeles
Calderon

LA gets an upgrade at PG
Toronto gets more wing help
Washington get's expirings and two decent young players (Farmar and Belinelli)
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Post#51 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:55 am

_venom_ wrote:Trade that works, and the destination that Calderon is perfectly suited for (LAL):

To Toronto
Butler

To Washington
Morrison (expiring)
Farmar (expiring)
Mbenga (expiring)
Belinelli (1 year remaining)

To Los Angeles
Calderon

LA gets an upgrade at PG
Toronto gets more wing help
Washington get's expirings and two decent young players (Farmar and Belinelli)


Farmar could be sent to Toronto to save Washington 1.9 million. Maybe something like this:

First:
Raptors Get: Boykins
Wizards Get: TE + 2010 Second

Then:

Raptors Get: Butler + Stevenson
Lakers Get: Calderon + O'Byrant
Wizards Get: Morrison + Farmar + Wright

They get all expiring contracts, save 5.4 million (entire luxury tax), get Famar, Wright and get a 2nd round pick for Boykins basically. Seems like a good deal for them. They also save 15 million next season in 2010 with this deal. So cost cutting, avoid tax + save 2010 money

It wouldnt be that complicated, just the Boykins deal would need to happen 1st, him for the TE + 2nd then the rest is pretty simple. Reason is we would need a backup PG and it gives them more cap relief, a 2nd rounder for him which is pretty good.

Jack/Boykins/Banks
Butler/Belinelli/Stevenson
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Evans
Bargnani/Johnson/Nesterovic

Foye/Farmar/James
Young/Wright
Miller/Mcguire/Morrison
Jamison/Blatche
Haywood/Mcgee/Oberto

Calderon/Fisher
Bryant/Brown/Sasha
Artest/Walton
Gasol/Odom/DJ
Bynum/Powell/O'Byrant

Seems like a good deal for everyone, no?
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Post#52 » by Raptor_Guy » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:01 am

Personally I think this team needs to get a bit tougher, a guy like James Posey for example would be a nice addition, someone who doesn't take crap. The only guy we really have like that right now is Reggie.

When the going gets tough in the playoffs we need guys who will fight back (not literally of course) considering we have quite a few softish players.
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Re: ESPN Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Martin, Iggy and More 

Post#53 » by gerrit4 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:15 am

MrBojangelz71 wrote:
Young_Buc wrote:
RedX wrote:Iggy would be an ABSOLUTE perfect fit for us. If we could ever get him........ but we can't.


If we gave up our expirings, and Calderon and took on Dalembert it's possible...


That's funny!

They would give up their franchise player and their best center for Calderon and expirings!

Damn it BC, get er done!


I agree it's probably not enough to get it done. But calling Dalembert "their best center" is overvaluing him with your choice of words. Philly would happily unload "their best center" for any expiring contract being offered (and they would have done it last year and the year before as well). Getting Dalembert as part of the deal evens it up, don't act like it makes it even more favorable for us.
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Post#54 » by Lionel Messi » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:21 am

TimoCruz wrote:The thing that is pissing me off, is that i know BC will NOT get a guy like Butler. He just doesnt seem to fit BC's good attitude guys. I WOULD LOVE to have butler, but sadly it will not happen.


This is false.
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Post#55 » by Major_9000 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:28 am

I would love to have Iggy on this team.
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Post#56 » by 223red » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:29 am

[quote="Rapsobsessed7
Farmar could be sent to Toronto to save Washington 1.9 million. Maybe something like this:

First:
Raptors Get: Boykins
Wizards Get: TE + 2010 Second

Then:

Raptors Get: Butler + Stevenson
Lakers Get: Calderon + O'Byrant
Wizards Get: Morrison + Farmar + Wright

They get all expiring contracts, save 5.4 million (entire luxury tax), get Famar, Wright and get a 2nd round pick for Boykins basically. Seems like a good deal for them. They also save 15 million next season in 2010 with this deal. So cost cutting, avoid tax + save 2010 money

It wouldnt be that complicated, just the Boykins deal would need to happen 1st, him for the TE + 2nd then the rest is pretty simple. Reason is we would need a backup PG and it gives them more cap relief, a 2nd rounder for him which is pretty good.

Seems like a good deal for everyone, no?[/quote]
I like the look of that. It is good for everyone, including Jose. I assume LA would play ball with that trade since it gets them exactly what they lack in a sharpshooting, no turnover young PG. But is it any better than the other deals being reported to be going Washington's way? Unless this is the only one that gets them under the cap, it may require some actual talent going their way (I don't think Farmar and Wright count). I doubt BC does it if he has to give up Amir, and no way he does it to dump Derozan. Maybe we can add $3mil to LA and they can throw their 1st rounder to Washington. Then Washington gets the standard expirings + picks + youth for good player deal. LA may nto want anything that complicated though...
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Post#57 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:33 am

Major_9000 wrote:I would love to have Iggy on this team.


same, dont know what it would take though. If we trade Jose we need a PG back. The only thing i could think of thats realistic would be this: But i know they want to dump Dally so i dont know, dont think they do it. It saves them 10 million next season though.

TOR: Iggy + Farmar
PHI: Morrison + Derozan + Nesterovic
LAL: Calderon + Brezec

Jack/Farmar/Banks
Iggy/Belinelli
Hedo/Wright/Weems
Bosh/Evans
Bargnani/Johnson/O'Byrant
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Post#58 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:34 am

223red wrote:[quote="Rapsobsessed7
Farmar could be sent to Toronto to save Washington 1.9 million. Maybe something like this:

First:
Raptors Get: Boykins
Wizards Get: TE + 2010 Second

Then:

Raptors Get: Butler + Stevenson
Lakers Get: Calderon + O'Byrant
Wizards Get: Morrison + Farmar + Wright

They get all expiring contracts, save 5.4 million (entire luxury tax), get Famar, Wright and get a 2nd round pick for Boykins basically. Seems like a good deal for them. They also save 15 million next season in 2010 with this deal. So cost cutting, avoid tax + save 2010 money

It wouldnt be that complicated, just the Boykins deal would need to happen 1st, him for the TE + 2nd then the rest is pretty simple. Reason is we would need a backup PG and it gives them more cap relief, a 2nd rounder for him which is pretty good.

Seems like a good deal for everyone, no?

I like the look of that. It is good for everyone, including Jose. I assume LA would play ball with that trade since it gets them exactly what they lack in a sharpshooting, no turnover young PG. But is it any better than the other deals being reported to be going Washington's way? Unless this is the only one that gets them under the cap, it may require some actual talent going their way (I don't think Farmar and Wright count). I doubt BC does it if he has to give up Amir, and no way he does it to dump Derozan. Maybe we can add $3mil to LA and they can throw their 1st rounder to Washington. Then Washington gets the standard expirings + picks + youth for good player deal. LA may nto want anything that complicated though...[/quote]

LAL does not have a 1st, but Raptors could send Cash and they send Memphis 2010 2nd Round pick. might appeal more to Washington. This deal though does get them fully under the luxury tax and it would be very hard to do other wise with the teams their talking to (Houston + Dallas). Because it has to work under the 1.25 + 100,000 rule of the CBA its unlikely either team could provide 5.3 million instant trade exception. Being under the luxury tax allows them to receive payments from all the other teams so its a pretty big benefit.
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Post#59 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 8:53 pm

Heres todays news. Ill just keep posting it here and updating it.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/m ... _blogs_NBA

• Tyrus Thomas isn’t as big a name as Stoudemire, but league sources agree he’s far more likely to be dealt by Feb. 18 – if not sooner. One person familiar with the situation said it would be surprising if the Thomas situation stretched into next week after his recent dustup with coach Vinny Del Negro over losing his starting job to rookie Taj Gibson. Sources say the Bulls would prefer to package Thomas in a bigger deal that would clear cap space for a major free agent signing -- such as a scenario detailed here involving the Celtics’ Ray Allen. Short of that, the Bulls would be eager to unload Thomas in a smaller deal that would bring back less significant assets that could be used to surround and entice a marquee free agent. Two Western Conference teams intrigued by Thomas are the Nuggets, patiently seeking a big man to contend with the Lakers, and the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big man. “They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said. The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer. The Spurs, who dipped their toe across the luxury tax line this season, will have to decide before the end of their annual circus road trip – which continued Monday night against the Lakers – what they’re willing to give up to see that investment pay off.

• Team executives differ widely in their assessment Marcus Camby’s availability, with some convinced Camby’s gone and others equally convinced he’s going nowhere. The truth is somewhere in between. A person familiar with the Clippers’ internal discussions said the team would move Camby and his $7.65 million contract only in a deal that would yield a significant player who could help them next season – or the cap space to sign one. The Clips are a small deal away from clearing the $15-$16 million necessary to sign a max player. If they can’t improve their 2010-11 position dramatically, Camby stays. Two of Camby’s former teams, the Nuggets and Knicks, are intrigued by the possibility of bringing him back for an encore.

• Another active buyer in trade talks, the Mavericks, haven’t pushed hard for Kevin Martin in their conversations with Sacramento, sources say. That’s an indication that the Mavs are focused on another wing who’d fit their needs – Washington’s Caron Butler. How aggressively the Wizards look to unload contracts as they try to pick up the pieces from Gilbert Arenas’ suspension depends on how a fundamental internal disagreement is resolved. Some elements of the Wizards’ power structure favor “completely blowing it up,” according to one source, while others are holding out for a more patient approach. “How badly does Dallas want Caron Butler?” one rival executive said. “Washington will find out.” The Mavs have not been pushing for Antawn Jamison in their talks with the Wizards, believing they have enough 30-somethings on the roster.

An important factor to remember in trying to decipher the Wizards’ strategy is their ownership situation. Despite a recent hangup in the transfer of power from the family of late owner Abe Pollin to Ted Leonsis, rival executives believe a completed sale to Leonsis is a foregone conclusion. The Wizards have little hope of trading enough contracts to get under the luxury tax, but any savings derived from pre-deadline deals would produce double the benefit in tax payments – a scenario that would appease both the owner and the seller in that transaction.

• If the Wizards take the “blowing it up” route, their exploratory conversations with Houston involving Tracy McGrady would become more serious. But a high-level source familiar with the situation said T-Mac’s best chance to play again this season is in New York, which would willingly take on his $23 million expiring contract if it meant clearing some 2010-11 money off the books. The Knicks aren’t willing to part with anything Houston would want, however, so a third team would need to be recruited.

• Despite their active posture in trade talks, the Sixers aren’t willing to do strictly a financial deal for Iguodala. Thus, they’re not interested in McGrady alone, but instead are pushing for legit value in return.

• Miami and Charlotte remain in the mix with the Rockets and Trail Blazers for Wizards center Brendan Haywood. The Blazers continue to steadfastly reject any scenario that includes Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum.


The part i bolded and underlined is interesting because that Laker/Washington/Toronto deal saves them the entire luxury tax so they would be under it. Save over 11 million in luxury tax payments so maybe its a probable deal.
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Post#60 » by kloair23 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:05 pm

Screw Iggy, Hoffa is where its at.

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