Week 14 (Conference Championship Week/Army-Navy)

Post #141 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:34 am

NurbekIL wrote:BTW who is the other team in the title game now? LSU?

Any team other than an undefeated Hawaii (I've already penciled in their W for tonight, pretty easy prediction IMO) will be a travesty. And since I am sure that they won't get the invite, this year's national championship game is nothing sham.

A.J. · Post #142 » by **A.J.** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:36 am

i think they should keep the bowl games, but this system should change right away.

I would love for it to be like college basketball's tornament style.

this has to be the craziest college football season

SportsWorld · Post #143 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:36 am

High 5 wrote:Tonight guarantees we'll have the first 2 loss team in the NC.

Colt Brennan and Hawaii say "Hi".
But seriously, I don't understand how Hawaii can go undefeated and have the 2nd best QB in college football and not be considered for the National Championship. Sure, they play in a weak conference but so does Ohio State. I think Hawaii would even beat Ohio State in a national championship game.

UrbanLegendMD · Post #144 » by **UrbanLegendMD** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:36 am

Will they finally give us playoffs? probably not

A.J. · Post #145 » by **A.J.** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:39 am

SportsWorld wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Colt Brennan and Hawaii say "Hi".
But seriously, I don't understand how Hawaii can go undefeated and have the 2nd best QB in college football and not be considered for the National Championship. Sure, they play in a weak conference but so does Ohio State. I think Hawaii would even beat Ohio State in a national championship game.

lmao

but seriously, i agree, hawaii has done all they could and thats be underfeated....they deserve to be in the bcs championship consideration
they have the second, maybe first best qb in college football, and his receivers are studs.

oh i forgot about tebow, lol

Wizards2Lottery · Post #146 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:40 am

If you're going to put in Ohio State, might as well put on a skirt and give the other spot to Hawaii and avoid the controversy over three two loss teams going in.

A.J. · Post #147 » by **A.J.** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:41 am

i cant believe lsu is going to the national championship and have homefield advantage.

SportsWorld · Post #148 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:42 am

I am serious about this guys. If you put Ohio State in the championship game how can you not put undefeated Hawaii? Both played crap schedules.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #149 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:46 am

SportsWorld wrote:I am serious about this guys. If you put Ohio State in the championship game how can you not put undefeated Hawaii? Both played crap schedules.

Thats how I feel too. I don't think its fair to Hawaii if Ohio State gets in the NC and they don't.

High 5 · Post #150 » by **High 5** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:48 am

SportsWorld wrote:I am serious about this guys. If you put Ohio State in the championship game how can you not put undefeated Hawaii? Both played crap schedules.

Hawaii doesn't even deserve to be in the conversation until they play more than one good team a year. They should just be grateful that they'll be ranked in the top 10. Look at the records of the teams they have beaten, assuming the beat Washington:

Boise State: 10-2
Fresno State: 8-4
Nevada: 6-6
Charleston Southern: 5-6
Louisiana Tech: 5-7
San Jose State: 5-7
Washington: 4-9
New Mexico State: 4-9
UNLV: 2-10
Utah State: 2-10
Nortern Colorado: 1-11
Idaho: 1-11

Combined Record: 53-92 (53-80 not including the Hawaii games, still brutal)

For a comparison, Ohio State's opponents were 72-60, 64-57 not counting Illinois. Ohio State beat four teams that I'd say were better than anyone Hawaii played.

El Turco · Post #151 » by **El Turco** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:54 am

SportsWorld wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ohio State does not deserve to be in the National Championship game at all. They played an incredibly easy schedule and they played in one of the weakest conferences in college football. If Ohio State gets to play in the National Championship game why can't Hawaii be in it? They went undefeated and they have the 2nd best QB in college football. Illinois exposed Ohio State. But, who cares. If Ohio State goes to the championship game it only increases our strength of schedule because we beat you guys.

wrong. I ll be the first one to put at least 3 teams ahead of OSU in terms of "better" team but, they certainly deserve to be in the National Championship game. They deserve it in a way there wasnt any other team that showed they deserved it more than OSU performance wise. I m sorry but i dont care which conference you play in, you cant expect cry about not being included in the National championship game when you lose 2 games to an far inferior teams. As for Illinois might have "exposed" ohio state(which was a close one td game), but evey other team in the country with the exception of Hawaii has been exposed and they been exposed more than once, and most of them been exposed to the teams that are worse than #15 Illinois. As for Hawaii comparision, its not even close. Big 10 is weak in BCS standards but at the end its still the 4th/5th best conference in the nation and comparison to WAC is ridiculous. just check the teams win-loss record in the both conferences if anything.

Also, nothing in your post explained why you claimed OSU s defense is "crap". If you think a defense that is at worst top 5 in the country is a "crap" because they played one bad game i like to hear which team doesnt have a crappy defense.

Post #152 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:57 am

I have to agree, I sincerely believe Hawaii is more deserving than us IMO, schedule or not.

SportsWorld · Post #153 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 4:58 am

High 5 wrote:
SportsWorld wrote:I am serious about this guys. If you put Ohio State in the championship game how can you not put undefeated Hawaii? Both played crap schedules.

Hawaii doesn't even deserve to be in the conversation until they play more than one good team a year. They should just be grateful that they'll be ranked in the top 10. Look at the records of the teams they have beaten, assuming the beat Washington:

Boise State: 10-2
Fresno State: 8-4
Nevada: 6-6
Charleston Southern: 5-6
Louisiana Tech: 5-7
San Jose State: 5-7
Washington: 4-9
New Mexico State: 4-9
UNLV: 2-10
Utah State: 2-10
Nortern Colorado: 1-11
Idaho: 1-11

Combined Record: 53-92 (53-80 not including the Hawaii games, still brutal)

Ohio State:
Youngstown State: 7-4 (Division 1-AA)
Akron: 4-8 (2nd to last in MAC East)
Washington: 4-8
Northwestern: 6-6
Minnesota: 1-11
Purdue: 7-5
Kent State: 3-9 (Last in MAC East)
Michigan State: 7-5
Penn State: 8-4
Wisconsin: 9-3
Illinois: 9-3 (LOSS)
Michigan: 8-4

Combined: 72-70 (And they played 2 MAC teams and 1 Division 1-AA team)

High 5 · Post #154 » by **High 5** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:00 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:I have to agree, I sincerely believe Hawaii is more deserving than us IMO, schedule or not.

Hell, if you don't want, let Georgia have it.

SportsWorld · Post #155 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:02 am

ElTurco wrote:i like to hear which team doesnt have a crappy defense.

LSU

High 5 · Post #156 » by **High 5** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:02 am

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Last time I checked, 72-70 was a lot better than 53-92. Like I said, Ohio State beat four teams better than any team Hawaii played. A few of them would probably even beat Hawaii.

SportsWorld · Post #157 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:04 am

High 5 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Last time I checked, 72-70 was a lot better than 53-92. Like I said, Ohio State beat four teams better than any team Hawaii played. A few of them would probably even beat Hawaii.

I bolded their non-conference games:

Youngstown State: 7-4 (Division 1-AA)
Akron: 4-8 (2nd to last in MAC East)
Washington: 4-8
Northwestern: 6-6
Minnesota: 1-11
Purdue: 7-5
Kent State: 3-9 (Last in MAC East)
Michigan State: 7-5
Penn State: 8-4
Wisconsin: 9-3
Illinois: 9-3 (LOSS)
Michigan: 8-4

So that is a 18-29 non-conference schedule. I don't think a non-conference schedule gets any softer than that. Throw out Youngstown's 7-4 record and you get a 11-25 non-conference schedule.

High 5 · Post #158 » by **High 5** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:07 am

SportsWorld wrote:
High 5 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Last time I checked, 72-70 was a lot better than 53-92. Like I said, Ohio State beat four teams better than any team Hawaii played. A few of them would probably even beat Hawaii.

I bolded their non-conference games:

Youngstown State: 7-4 (Division 1-AA)
Akron: 4-8 (2nd to last in MAC East)
Washington: 4-8
Northwestern: 6-6
Minnesota: 1-11
Purdue: 7-5
Kent State: 3-9 (Last in MAC East)
Michigan State: 7-5
Penn State: 8-4
Wisconsin: 9-3
Illinois: 9-3 (LOSS)
Michigan: 8-4

So that is a 18-29 non-conference schedule. I don't think a non-conference schedule gets any softer than that. Throw out Youngstown's 7-4 record and you get a 11-25 non-conference schedule.

Their soft non-conference schedule has almost the same winning percentage as Hawaii's entire schedule. (.382 vs .398)

Hawaii is losing 14-0 right now anyways, so it may not matter.

SportsWorld · Post #159 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:08 am

If Hawaii loses, then it is going to be LSU/Ohio State hands down. Washington may make it easy for us.

SportsWorld · Post #160 » by **SportsWorld** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:09 am

And Colt Brennan is out for the season now.....