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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#41 » by Teckon » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:15 am

Kevin Martin is an excellent SG that filled Rockets' biggest need. Martin also has a very reasonable contract:

2009/10
10,180,170

2010/11
$11,100,005

2011/12
$12,019,840

2012/13
$12,939,675

Given Rockets' current payroll situation and resources, Kevin Martin is probably the best SG they can get their hand on without taking back another bad contract. Rocekts also don't have the cap room to sign one in the offseason too. The price is to give away landry. Landry is having a great year in Yao's absence. Once Yao is back, Landry won't be able to reproduce the same level as there won't be enough minutes for him if Scola is retained in the offseason.

Below is what Bill Simmons think of Kevin Martin:
Kevin Martin (30): My favorite possibly available trade piece -- great contract, proven scorer, high hoops IQ, someone who'd thrive on a veteran team that protected him defensively and ran plays for him. Right now he's playing on a glorified pickup team with Tyreke Evans, who thinks "point guard" means "I get to dribble over midcourt." Not gonna fly. Someone like Martin is a luxury. You pamper him. You set him screens. You hook him up on slash-and-kicks. You go to him after games and say, "Hey, what's the best place to deliver the ball for you -- chest high and a little to the right?" He could absolutely be a contender's No. 1 scoring option like Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton once upon a time. Stay tuned.


Then think about Adelman's offense with Kevin Martin.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#42 » by Alex_De_Large » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:49 pm

bull, man, i trade ariza before landry, man, oh man.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#43 » by Mr. E » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:58 pm

Kevin Martin is better than anything we could have likely expected in the open market this offseason.

Carl Landry, as much as we love him, was heading in the direction of a very big payday - likely bigger than Morey would be willing to pay.

Thomas, Rodriguez and the other guy account for about 13.1 million in expirings.

Daryl Morey is a great evaluator of talent - more importantly, he's a great evaluator of talent at reasonable value.


I can't help but think that another trade will follow today, but for right now - long term - I like this for the Rockets. I will always be a fan of Carl & Tracy (barely got to know Joey), but the NBA is a business.

This time last year most of us were wondering what the hell Morey was thinking by trading an oft-criticized, but proven point guard for some kid who couldn't get off the bench in Memphis.


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Post#44 » by aznkillabeezZz » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:09 pm

Why does morey get all the credit for these trades? I think it's as much as Adelmans decision as it is Moreys. 3 signings they had were from Sacramento ex player. So i'm pretty sure Adelman had his two cents. And now, a major signing is another adelman player. And aaron Brooks got the interest of adelman too.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#45 » by aznkillabeezZz » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:10 pm

Alex_De_Large wrote:bull, man, i trade ariza before landry, man, oh man.

nobody wanted ariza. I'm pretty sure if they had the opportunity to trade scola and ariza to get who they wanted instead of landry they would have
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Post#46 » by Knicksick » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:24 pm

I'm very surprised by this trade. If guys like Iguodala,Dalembert were really offered for McGrady then this deal stinks for Houston. Butler,Haywood is also a much better package IMO then Martin alone WHILE giving up Landry as well.
IMO it is already highly arguable which player is more efficient on the court---the hardworking,efficiently scoring guy in the paint or the cucking perimeter player who is injury prone,on a longterm contract and plays no defense at all.

As a knick fan, the thing I take from this deal is that the Rockets and Knicks weren't even close to an agreement. I personally feel like Landry as a player isn't worse than Martin (although they are obviously very hard to compare) in terms of efficiency on the court---but given the remaining 4 years and Martin's injury riddled past I don't see this as better than Jeffries who becomes an asset as an expiring, Hill and two picks. That makes me believe that Walsh wasn't even close to offering that otherwise Morey would have been dumb to take Martin.
This also erases all your capspace so you have to go over the cap limit to keep Scola and Lowry(who are probably gonna add a combined 10mill. to the cap).

That said I like both teams (Sac and houston) so I hope it works out for you guys and Martin stays healthy and produces cause he can be a terrific scorer.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#47 » by rocketsballin » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:30 pm

btw why is there still 2 threads on this same exact topic?
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#48 » by Teckon » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:41 pm

Knicksick wrote:I'm very surprised by this trade. If guys like Iguodala,Dalembert were really offered for McGrady then this deal stinks for Houston. Butler,Haywood is also a much better package IMO then Martin alone WHILE giving up Landry as well.
IMO it is already highly arguable which player is more efficient on the court---the hardworking,efficiently scoring guy in the paint or the cucking perimeter player who is injury prone,on a longterm contract and plays no defense at all.

As a knick fan, the thing I take from this deal is that the Rockets and Knicks weren't even close to an agreement. I personally feel like Landry as a player isn't worse than Martin (although they are obviously very hard to compare) in terms of efficiency on the court---but given the remaining 4 years and Martin's injury riddled past I don't see this as better than Jeffries who becomes an asset as an expiring, Hill and two picks. That makes me believe that Walsh wasn't even close to offering that otherwise Morey would have been dumb to take Martin.
This also erases all your capspace so you have to go over the cap limit to keep Scola and Lowry(who are probably gonna add a combined 10mill. to the cap).

That said I like both teams (Sac and houston) so I hope it works out for you guys and Martin stays healthy and produces cause he can be a terrific scorer.



It is reported Rockets had offered TMac and Budinger for Iggy and Dal but Sixers wanted more. As noted the contracts coming in are not expiring unlike the current with Martin and expiring that basically remove any flexibility should this move did not work well with Rockets. For this deal with Kings, if for some reason did not work out well, Rockets are still ok with expiring contracts.

Wizards prefered Mavs' deal and over Rockets and Rockets is not going to pay above that price. End of story for that.

I would disagree that Jeffries plus Hill and 2 picks would be of same value or better than Martin. Martin filled the biggest current needs (SG position) while Jeffries do not. Hill may have potential but he is not ready to contribute this season or next season. The picks are also more of future and current. since we are talking about 2011 and 2012 picks rather 2010 pick. There is also no gurantee these picks will be high value should Knicks managed to get 2 Max FA this summer. Hence Martin's value is definitely better than Jeffries + Hill + 2 picks (and one of the 2 picks is a pick swap). And Knicks want Protection for the picks making the picks worth much lesser.

Now the Kings and Rockets have an agreed deal in place, it is up Knicks to offer something that both Kings and Rockets are happy with. The cards are with Kings and Rockets as they are happy with just dealing among themselves.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#49 » by Iggyemu » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:51 pm

Probably one of the poorer deals we could have gotten. Can't remember the last time Kevin Martin was healthy. Seems we are back to hoping a guy is healthy. Not sure why we gave up Landry. I dunno what to make of this other than that...we'll see if there is more to it.
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Post#50 » by Rendezvous » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:53 pm

Is Morey planning for another trade?
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#51 » by KnicksScholar24 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:40 pm

Teckon wrote:I would disagree that Jeffries plus Hill and 2 picks would be of same value or better than Martin. Martin filled the biggest current needs (SG position) while Jeffries do not. Hill may have potential but he is not ready to contribute this season or next season. The picks are also more of future and current. since we are talking about 2011 and 2012 picks rather 2010 pick. There is also no gurantee these picks will be high value should Knicks managed to get 2 Max FA this summer. Hence Martin's value is definitely better than Jeffries + Hill + 2 picks (and one of the 2 picks is a pick swap). And Knicks want Protection for the picks making the picks worth much lesser.


Don't forget the Landry factor, because NY wouldn't have asked for Landry. Cook was involved NY's trade. Also ask Chicago or Utah about NY's future picks. Those team have greatly benefited from them, and so would have the Knicks is NY could turn those two MAX cap space slots into two real MAX salary caliber players. Only if Martin can stay healthy (I mean over 80% of the duration of his contract) can this deal be a good trade for the Rockets. Both team sbasically traded their injured reserved players, but Martin still has 3, 4 years on his deal.

The NY/HOU rumored trade: As a Knicks fan, I'm glad NY didn't give up their 8th pick *Hill) and two draft picks, but you never know, Walsh might decide to give those same assets up to the Kings. I just want Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries on another team by 3:00 PM EST today, in exchange for expiring contracts.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#52 » by Teckon » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:10 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:
Don't forget the Landry factor, because NY wouldn't have asked for Landry. Cook was involved NY's trade. Also ask Chicago or Utah about NY's future picks. Those team have greatly benefited from them, and so would have the Knicks is NY could turn those two MAX cap space slots into two real MAX salary caliber players. Only if Martin can stay healthy (I mean over 80% of the duration of his contract) can this deal be a good trade for the Rockets. Both team sbasically traded their injured reserved players, but Martin still has 3, 4 years on his deal.

The NY/HOU rumored trade: As a Knicks fan, I'm glad NY didn't give up their 8th pick *Hill) and two draft picks, but you never know, Walsh might decide to give those same assets up to the Kings. I just want Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries on another team by 3:00 PM EST today, in exchange for expiring contracts.


Chicago and Utah's NY future picks are valuable because the current knicks are not really a good team (to put it kindly). With 2 Max FA, i would expect the Knicks to be a more respectable team in 2011 and 2012. Even if Knicks can't get Lebron/Wade/Bosh, they would be able to get 3 near allstar talent to help them out and be a borderline playoff team in the east meaning the picks again would not be valuable than those possessed by Chicago or Utah.

Martin just turned 27 this year, 3 years younger then TMAC. Martin still can perform at a good level while TMAC is questionable. Your statement that both team just traded their injured reserverd players is totally off. BTW, Landry is just 7, 8 months younger than Martin.

Good luck in getting expiring contract for Jeffries/Curry. I wonder which GM would be dumb enough to do without asking for Hill and picks since the information has been leaked on TMAC discussion.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#53 » by langer » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:23 pm

What a fxxxing surprise, man! I don't think it is just a GM decision. But, this is really a bad, and bad trade.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#54 » by Rendezvous » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:28 pm

Wait a year, and everyone will be on K Martin jock.

Just like Chase
Just like Lowry
Just like Landry
Just like Brooks.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#55 » by moofs » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:08 pm

tisbee wrote:If the deal goes thru as is and is structured as 2 deals:
Landry,Dorsey for Rodriguez and Armstrong
McGrady for Martin,Thomas(both of which are w/in the 25%)
The Rockets get under cap(big deal for Les)
Get a fairly big $4.4mil+ Trade Exception,which is close to another MLE for the summer.(And it may come in very handy during the Draft. See OKC for past few yrs.)
Thomas could be used in a sign-n-trade this summer for a contract over $11mil.(Not likely,but he could.)


Wait, where did the trade exception come into play?
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#56 » by TMU » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:18 pm

moofs wrote:
tisbee wrote:If the deal goes thru as is and is structured as 2 deals:
Landry,Dorsey for Rodriguez and Armstrong
McGrady for Martin,Thomas(both of which are w/in the 25%)
The Rockets get under cap(big deal for Les)
Get a fairly big $4.4mil+ Trade Exception,which is close to another MLE for the summer.(And it may come in very handy during the Draft. See OKC for past few yrs.)
Thomas could be used in a sign-n-trade this summer for a contract over $11mil.(Not likely,but he could.)


Wait, where did the trade exception come into play?


I know Washington has some big trade exceptions (Drew Gooden, and Haywood).
Orlando has one as well (Hedo).
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Post#57 » by moofs » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:26 pm

Yeah, but where did we get a 4.4?
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Post#58 » by Hoops23 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:34 pm

Nice trade for the Rockets.
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Re: Houston gets Kevin Martin... 

Post#59 » by DreamShook34 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:22 pm

Over reaction.. Morey hasn't done anything bad yet money wise player wise.. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.. I cant wait till we are all eating our words much like the Lowry trade.. calm down
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